Markets are impossible to predict

Discussion in 'Trading' started by farmerjohn1324, Jan 8, 2020.

  1. Except one thing...

    Index funds will be higher over time.
     
    #21     Jan 8, 2020
  2. destriero

    destriero


    It was up nearly 3% AH yesterday (from the 4pm close).
     
    #22     Jan 8, 2020
  3. So then buy and hold
     
    #23     Jan 8, 2020
  4. What was?

    My original post was of a 3x leveraged fund of gold miners stocks. And I was referring to premarket before opening Monday.
     
    #24     Jan 8, 2020
  5. I can get better return elsewhere. Only leveraged trading interests me. And if I can't do it without feeling like gambling, then I won't.
     
    #25     Jan 8, 2020
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  6. %%
    NOT holding more than one day is just for lawyers laughs ,Farmer Jon, unless gold hits a bear trend LOL. BUT here are more profit hints ;NUGT compared to UPRO, or SPXL;

    2020 NUGT= losing trade open to close 2020
    NUGT 52 weeks >100%%
    2 years about= flat
    5yrs -16.96 %/OOPS/lousy trend
    since inception -48%% VERY LOUSY TREND, unless you short the stinkin' thing---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    UPRO[SPYx3]
    2020 UPRO = profitable trade open to close
    =52 weeks>59%
    2 years= good trend
    5years>25%
    since inception =>37%
    Anyway you do the math, see why SPY,S&P500 is the benchmark + not a leveraged gold fund??? Another hint gold has no earnings some gold stocks do, BUT ALMOST NEVER DO gold stocks sector do a top trend.
    See why even a leveraged SPY ETF, like UPRO is much more likely to make money than NUGT; hint most UPRO profit time frames are better than NUGT??? [NOT long or short either one; did close out some SPY+ SPXL profits + got some SPY diVidends]

    Both can do well in a good long uptrend; sorry NUGT has lost so much, in so many trends=live + learn....................................................................................
     
    #26     Jan 8, 2020
  7. destriero

    destriero


    Read your first post.

    You could have dumped your ETF AH yesterday. GLD was up almost 3% AH. So 3x and you're there. I don't know what the liquidity is like, but yeah, you got caught in a reversal that occurred after hours.

    Get over it if you can or find another line of work.
     
    #27     Jan 8, 2020
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  8. Nugt 52 weeks >100%?

    Are you referring to ttm?
     
    #28     Jan 8, 2020
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  9. ET180

    ET180

    Although that's not the reason to avoid shorting the market. How come those 7B could not stop the market from going down in 2008? Fundamentals will ultimately matter.
     
    #29     Jan 8, 2020
  10. Then buy far dated otm options
     
    #30     Jan 8, 2020