Market Panics Over Obama?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by wareco, Oct 24, 2008.

  1. I am old enough to remember the Nixon, Ford, Carter years .... Maybe you would like to explain why interest rates were at 20%?
     
    #21     Oct 24, 2008
  2. Out of control inflation and a tax and spend congress led by our old buddy Tip O'Neil, Had CD's paying 15% that was great banks doing anything to get deposit's.
     
    #22     Oct 24, 2008
  3. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    Dito
     
    #23     Oct 24, 2008

  4. And what else, besides the oil embargo, contributed to the out of control inflation?
     
    #24     Oct 24, 2008
  5. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    Just a thought, but before I tell someone else how stupid I think they are. I usually try not to look even more stupid as I do it.
     
    #25     Oct 24, 2008
  6. Mercor

    Mercor

    American weakness overseas, weak dollar, carter / Burns (fed) focus on employment and not money supply. By the time Volker took over it was to late and had to chase the money supply curve up. I believe he went to 20% before he could take the excess production out of the economy.
     
    #26     Oct 24, 2008
  7. aresky

    aresky

    The Obama Tax Plan: Certain Disaster for America
    By Sean Osborne Tuesday, October 14, 2008

    As with most economic theories that originate from within a Marxist ideology, Barack Obama’s tax plan, (a/k/a Obamanomics, i.e. Socialism) would bring swift and certain economic ruin to the United States of America.

    Contrary to the Obama tax plan, the acceptance of which requires that one must abandon his or her common sense, Obama hides the truth in a mish-mash of terms he can ill-afford to clearly elucidate, terms he intentionally uses interchangably to confuse the American taxpayer: tax cuts versus tax relief. Obama’s tax relief is blatant Marxism, also known as “wealth redistribution.” Obama’s tax cuts are actually a soaking of the American well-to-do, the folks who grease our economic well-being and foot the bill for those on the lower end of the economic order.

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5558

    Obama’s Tax-Plan Disaster
    The candidate’s “soak the rich” tax rates will do widespread economic harm.

    By Cesar V. Conda

    Here’s an unusual campaign promise: I pledge to take action as president to drive down stock prices, discourage investment, and deepen the recession. Who has promised this? Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, albeit not in so many words.

    With the stock market in crisis mode and the economy in a pronounced slump, would any economist — even the most extreme liberal Keynesian — advocate increasing taxes? Of course not. But contrary to economic commonsense, Obama is proposing to do exactly that by raising tax rates on America’s small businesses and investors.

    Specifically, Obama wants to raise taxes on income, capital gains, and dividends for families earning more than $250,000 annually. Under his plan, the top two marginal tax rates will increase from 33 to 36 percent and from 35 to 39.6 percent, while both the capital-gains tax and dividend tax will rise from 15 to 20 percent. According to the plan, the extra revenues generated by these tax increases will be redistributed to lower- and middle-income people through a hodge-podge of refundable tax credits. In the meantime, these “soak the rich” tax rates will do widespread economic harm.

    First, Obama’s tax-rate increases on income will fall heavily on small businesses, which create the majority of net new jobs. Here’s why: According to Internal Revenue Service data, half of all business income is taxed at individual rather than corporate tax rates, and about two-thirds of all flow-through business income is earned by small-business owners with annual incomes exceeding $200,000. The bottom line: Up to one-third of all business income is taxed at the two marginal rates Obama wants to raise.

    Second, history demonstrates the economic folly of raising capital-gains taxes at any time, and the economic benefit of keeping them permanently low. By influencing the incentives for people to invest, the capital-gains tax directly impacts the demand for — and value of — equities. Similarly, it influences the rate of investment, particularly in new, high-risk ventures.

    Between 1969 and 1978 capital-gains tax rates rose from 25 percent to 35 percent. Across the same period stock prices and venture-capital investment declined. A 1978 economic study by economist Michael Evans of Chase Econometrics Associates found that “the sharp declines in the stock market in 1969-1970, and 1977-1978 are due in large part to the Tax Reform Acts of 1968 and 1976.” Initial public stock offerings (IPOs) — an important measure of new venture-capital investment — also declined in this period, from an annual average rate of nearly $2 billion between 1969 and 1972 to an average of $225 million between 1975 and 1978.

    When capital-gains tax rates were cut in 1979 and 1982, the results were just as predictable: Equity values rose along with investment commitments to new ventures. Conversely, when capital-gains tax rates were increased from 20 to 28 percent in 1986, the rate of IPOs stagnated.

    About a decade later President Bill Clinton signed legislation that chopped the capital-gains tax rate back down to 20 percent. And once again economic growth, investment, jobs, and federal tax receipts all increased. (David Wyss of Standard & Poor’s DRI, an economic consulting firm, has produced a study documenting these incentive effects.)

    Yet despite this progress, the current capital-gains tax rate — 15 percent for individuals — is still too high. Many foreign countries tax capital gains at much lower rates, putting the U.S. at a competitive disadvantage. According to the American Council of Capital Formation, the U.S. is currently in the middle of the 30-member OECD pack in terms of taxing capital gains. Fourteen OECD countries do not tax capital gains at all.

    Third, Obama’s plan to raise taxes on dividends will negatively impact business investment, the retirement income of seniors, and finally economic growth.

    When a corporation issues common stock to finance new job-creating investment, the returns on that investment are taxed twice, once at the corporate level and then again at the individual level when dividends are received by shareholders. This double tax on dividends encourages businesses to rely on debt rather than equity to finance new investment, a strategy that can weaken their financial condition.

    The 2003 dividend tax cut from 35 to 15 percent reduced these economic distortions and provided incentives for companies to pay out dividends rather than retain their earnings. As a result, dividend payments were estimated to have increased by 20 percent.

    But Obama’s proposed increase in the dividend tax would reverse this healthy trend. It also would disproportionately impact America’s seniors by taking a bigger bite out of their taxable dividends while reducing both the quality of dividend payments and the value of the stocks that produce them.

    ...

    http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=OGExY2UzNjQ5YjAyNWUzZmI2MDQyNmU4MmU2NGI3ZDg=
     
    #27     Oct 24, 2008
  8. Oil shock + price & wage controls enacted by NIXON
     
    #28     Oct 24, 2008
  9. Why don't all you Obama haters and McCain lovers just say that you don't want a NEGRO running your country.
    Just be honest with yourself.

    Don't call Obama a socialist and then vote for McCain because he's NOT. They Both Are Socialists...McCain is just dishonest about it...
     
    #29     Oct 24, 2008
  10. Obama caused the credit crisis...
    Clinton caused 9/11...

    Bush Sr. and Dubya are patriots who made the economy strong and killed terrorists...

    Neocon 101...
     
    #30     Oct 24, 2008