Market has topped on 2019/11/07. Get the hell out now.

Discussion in 'Trading' started by noddyboy, Nov 8, 2019.

  1. tommcginnis

    tommcginnis

    Not to hijack a thread, but I'm going to declare a short of the ES (DEC) at 3022, putting me $60 underwater. So, with the market ~3082, I'm going to NOV22 and sell a 3030 -0.21δ put for $8.75. My BE is now ~3030 (3030.75). If the market goes to 3022; the FUT will be $0; the put will be -$8.00; the position will be +$0.75, without commissions. Stay tuned!
    (If you're thinking this sounds familiar, ...
    https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/what-should-i-do-with-this-trade.337600/ )
    So, two weeks ago, the market closed at 3022, and has risen 60pts in 10 trading days -- 6pts a day. Comparatively, accepting the premium of an $8.75 put expiring in ten market days requires the market to gain less than 0.875pts per day through that time, just to break even. (Well, there's also the potential for the market to sink some, affording an opportunity to improve one's position, should that come up...:D) Thus, while this sub-thread might appear to be about a covered-put tale, it's much more about revenue-generation versus market movement.

    My own expectation is that a sizeable dent can be made in the current $60 loss -- to the point where the entire position can be vacated with the retirement of the DEC19 future contract. If I can cut the loss in half, though? I'd call that pretty good. Regardless, it should be entertaining...... :D
     
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    #11     Nov 8, 2019
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  2. Specterx

    Specterx

    If the SPX drops to 1500s I'd mortgage my house to buy blue chip shares. Dividends alone would cover the interest.
     
    #12     Nov 8, 2019
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    #13     Nov 8, 2019
  4. noddyboy

    noddyboy

    Good idea.
     
    #14     Nov 8, 2019
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  5. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    You posted this in 2011 :

     
    #15     Nov 8, 2019
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  6. noddyboy

    noddyboy

    Wow 2011. You go pretty far back.
     
    #16     Nov 8, 2019
  7. Ayn Rand

    Ayn Rand

    If the S&P fell to 1500 in short order there probably won't be any banks around that would offer you a mortgage.
     
    #17     Nov 8, 2019
  8. You guys have no imagination:

    The SP 500 cash index will top out at 3224.67 on Monday, January 13, 2020 at 9:57 am before declining to 2321.76 on Friday, March 26th, 2021 at 3:55 pm. Unless, of course, Trump gets reelected!

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    #18     Nov 8, 2019
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  9. bone

    bone

    Rightfully so. The number of threads calling for a market top since 2008 has got to number in the many hundreds.

    If you've been using overbought/oversold oscillators or market cyclical wave count studies - you've been bankrupted. A dozen times over.

    The market won't come off in any sort of sustained, meaningful way until corporate earnings disappoint over multiple sectors. Just look at what happened in December of 2018 - selling on trade dispute rumors and Fed rate cut speculation couldn't persist. Earnings and expected earnings drive share prices.
     
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    #19     Nov 8, 2019
  10. Ayn Rand

    Ayn Rand

    The main force behind this market advance is low interest rates. The ten years is coming back up but it was pretty low. Also factor in the talk of neg interests rates and stocks still look very cheap. Especially stocks that have an up side and pay dividends.
     
    #20     Nov 8, 2019
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