Marine Corps discharges sergeant for Facebook posts critical of Obama

Discussion in 'Politics' started by AK Forty Seven, Apr 26, 2012.


    Marine Corps discharges sergeant for Facebook posts critical of Obama

    SAN DIEGO – A sergeant will be discharged for criticizing President Obama on Facebook in a case that called into question the Pentagon's policies about social media and its limits on the speech of active duty military personnel, the Marine Corps said Wednesday.

    Sgt. Gary Stein will get an other-than-honorable discharge and lose most of his benefits for violating the policies, the Corps said.

    The San Diego-area Marine who has served nine years in the Corps said he was disappointed by the decision. He argued that he was exercising his constitutional rights to free speech.

    "I love the Marine Corps, I love my job. I wish it wouldn't have gone this way. I'm having a hard time seeing how 15 words on Facebook could have ruined my nine-year career," he told The Associated Press.

    Gary Kreep, an attorney for Stein, said he would pursue administrative appeals within the Marine Corps but anticipates the effort will fail. He said he planned to file an amended complaint in federal court.

    "As long as he wants to pursue this, we will be supporting him," said Kreep, who is executive director of the United States Justice Foundation, an advocacy group.

    The Marines acted after saying Stein stated March 1 on a Facebook page used by Marine meteorologists, "Screw Obama and I will not follow all orders from him." Stein later clarified that statement, saying he would not follow unlawful orders.

    Brig. Gen. Daniel Yoo, the commanding general of the Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego, said in a brief statement Wednesday that evidence supported an administrative board's recommendation to discharge Stein.

    Tom Umberg, a former Army colonel and military prosecutor, said Stein persisted even after being warned.

    "The Marine Corps gave him the opportunity to think about his actions, yet Sgt. Stein continued to undermine the chain of command," said Umberg, who was not involved in Stein's case. "I think his purpose was to leave the Marine Corps in a dramatic fashion in order to begin a career in talk radio or what have you."

    Umberg believes the decision to discharge Stein will have limited impact because the vast majority of Marines would never consider such postings.

    "I think 99 percent of the soldiers and Marines currently on duty understand the duties of supporting the chain of command and understand their rights of free speech are limited," he said. "To that 1 percent who don't know their rights to free speech are limited once they take the oath, this is a loud and clear message."

    During a hearing, a military prosecutor submitted screen grabs of Stein's postings on one Facebook page he created called Armed Forces Tea Party, which the prosecutor said included the image of Obama on a "Jackass" movie poster. Stein also superimposed Obama's image on a poster for "The Incredibles" movie that he changed to "The Horribles," military prosecutor Capt. John Torresala said.

    At the hearing this month at Camp Pendleton, Torresala argued that Stein's behavior repeatedly violated Pentagon policy and he should be dismissed after ignoring warnings from his superiors about his postings.

    The military has had a policy since the Civil War limiting the free speech of service members, including criticism of the commander in chief.

    Pentagon directives say military personnel in uniform cannot sponsor a political club; participate in any TV or radio program or group discussion that advocates for or against a political party, candidate or cause; or speak at any event promoting a political movement.

    Commissioned officers also may not use contemptuous words against senior officials.
  2. Good way to get out of more tours of the "stan" of the year.

    I guess he didn't bank on the less than honorable though.

    At 10 years he would have had some benefits and retirement coming his way.

    This is really just another case where facebook is a terrible idea for disclosing personal information can only harm your career , school, job,insurance status etc.
  3. Yep, that is why so many( well actually only five or six) come here to vent. No one else will buy that tripe in the real world.
  4. Personally I think his penalty should have been harsher
  5. Brass


    He's nothing but a racist, now outed. Where was his "outrage" during the Bush years, and especially as it related to Iraq?
  6. Agreed.I'm glad he wont be getting the benefits and honorable discharge he would have received for 10 years of service
  7. Marine who criticized Obama on Facebook: I wish I could take it back

    By Isolde Raftery,
    Sgt. Gary Stein, the 26-year-old Marine who learned Wednesday he would be discharged for his online comments criticizing President Barack Obama, wishes he could take it back.
  8. The birther guy who refused to deploy to Iraq because Obama wasn't a citizen said the same thing after he was sentenced to 6 months in jail .That idiot had 18 years of service and benefits he loss due to listening to right wing idiots
  9. ===============
    What did they do to the US General, was n't it, that said;
    ''who called that liar a president''. Or maybe they said ''who called the president a liar??'':D I think it was a slap on the wrist.LOL

    But they were talking about Pres Bill ''impeachy'' Clinton.

    A top ranking Dem senator admitted Pres Clinton was a'' good liar'';
    not a compliment @ all.:cool:

    However the US military is very particular about salute/respect in the chain of command...............................................:cool:
  10. Nothing like playing the race card on a whim eh?

    unintended consequences anyone?
    #10     Apr 26, 2012