Margin Increase

Discussion in 'Interactive Brokers' started by realtrades, Sep 22, 2020.

  1. Millionaire

    Millionaire

    IB was fine with handling negative prices the next day.

    It seems IB systems could handle negative prices, they just didnt know CL could do it, like someone at IB didnt read the CME memo sent out weeks prior and so no one checked the 'can go negative' check box in the CL backend setup page.
     
    #11     Sep 22, 2020
  2. Overnight

    Overnight

    Just a bloody mess. Do you get the sense that it was a one-off? I sure do. When they started warning about NG going negative later on, I was like...I dunno'. As if someone got their hand caught in the cookie jar and decided against trying more manipulation.
     
    #12     Sep 22, 2020
  3. Millionaire

    Millionaire

    When the price of CL was near zero the IB margin algo allowed traders to load up on the long side, because it calculated the downside risk was limited.
    I read some small IB traders were able to buy over a 100 contracts when CL was trading around $1
     
    #13     Sep 22, 2020
  4. Overnight

    Overnight


    IB's risk management system updates internally each second? Wow, I thought they were a normal broker that had fixed margins updated each day based on the CME minimums. No wonder people got into trouble over there.

    P.S. Ahh, found a relevant post from around then I forgot about...

    https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...trading-wti-crude.343661/page-17#post-5094659

    Yeah, that's just messed up.
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2020
    #14     Sep 22, 2020
  5. LanceJ

    LanceJ

    Does this ultimately make your stops tighter during a time when markets can be choppy and volatile. Probably the worse market state to trade with tight stops. Price spikes depleting accounts one slash at a time.
     
    #15     Sep 22, 2020
  6. Millionaire

    Millionaire

    No stops have nothing to with this change.

    Higher margin/Lower leverage forces you to trade with smaller size, stops can remain the same if thats what you want.

    Although personally i reduce my size and widen stops when volatility goes up. This means my risk to my stops remains constant.
     
    #16     Sep 22, 2020
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  7. rockn

    rockn

    I think this is IB's way of saying 'risk off' in the markets in general?
     
    #17     Sep 22, 2020
  8. qlai

    qlai

    So this means that people will start getting margin calls? I don’t think other equities brokers do this.
     
    #18     Sep 22, 2020
  9. Millionaire

    Millionaire

    And they will get commissions when customers have to liquidate ;).

    Nice shake down of the customers :D Cha-ching!
     
    #19     Sep 22, 2020
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  10. Handle123

    Handle123

    Am going to start hedging all my long future positions the week before the election, Index positions will hedge with calls. Stocks be hedged by Indexes which be hedged by options.
     
    #20     Sep 23, 2020