Manual tape reading & DOM in an algo age

Discussion in 'Trading' started by 777, Nov 20, 2017.

  1. 777

    777

    In the old NYSE prices-set-in-fractions days:

    Resting orders outside the bid and offer where great!

    The reason resting NYSE orders were great for savvy traders was that if the specialist jumped over your order to fill a big order, he had to improve your fill price to the price he gave on the next print. (Example: Stock price is 100 and your buy order was 99 and 7/8. If the next print was 99 and 3/4 you got that print and recieved a bonus 1/8)


    Entire strategies were built around Fishing Orders that were canceled and resent a little farther away if the stock price drifted too close to the order because the trader was looking for the specialist to trade through him and improve his fill price.
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    Thanks for your great reply!
     
    Last edited: Nov 26, 2017
    #21     Nov 26, 2017
  2. mbondy

    mbondy

    Okay...? I don't understand what your point has to do with tapereading or even adverse selection. You are not obligated to trade or make markets. If you choose to continue to trade, find another way to do it where this type of activity doesn't affect you as much.

    In my experience, hft does not have as big of an impact on my trading as you're suggesting neither am I dumping a position and 'exiting at a loss of 1 tick or more because price has moved against me'.

    HFT is not the only game in town. Predicting what's going to happen in the next thousandths of a second is overrated. Tapereading is not hft.
     
    #22     Nov 26, 2017
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  3. 777

    777


    What type of stocks do you prefer to trade?

    Liquid / thin volume,
    Price range,
    Other characteristics?
     
    #23     Nov 26, 2017
  4. mbondy

    mbondy

    Liquid stocks, lots of volume, usually under $30 for in-plays, nothing special. I have other strategies for trading big caps or SPY.. I cut my teeth trading those so I am always watching and will trade when there's opportunity.

    You?
     
    #24     Nov 26, 2017
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  5. 777

    777

    Sending you a pm.
     
    #25     Nov 26, 2017
  6. Is that available to the average trader or do you have to be part of a group to get it?
     
    #26     Nov 26, 2017
  7. mbondy

    mbondy

    I'm an average trader so yes it's available to people like you and I.
     
    #27     Nov 26, 2017
  8. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Although I don't trade stocks, I agree with those that have a different experience as yours and their experience is supported by articles like Credit Suisse: Here's how high-frequency trading has changed the stock market @ http://www.businessinsider.com/how-high-frequency-trading-has-changed-the-stock-market-2017-3/#higher-trading-volumes-1

    Yet, I do know that HFT has helped spreads to become tighter in comparison to 10 years ago.

    wrbtrader
     
    #28     Nov 26, 2017
  9. mbondy

    mbondy

    I don't think anyone here is arguing that hft hasn't had an impact on the market. But I don't see the relevance of the argument as it pertains to tapereading.
     
    #29     Nov 27, 2017
  10. What is the reason someone /wouldn't/ trade that way?
     
    #30     Nov 27, 2017