Managing Funds for a Living

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by paysense, May 18, 2007.

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  1. System1: Shit, I blew up!

    System2: Fuck, I blew up again!

    System3: Well, look at this. I'm actually profitable! Yoohoo!


    Ahem, well, ladies and gentlemen, what we have here is a kickass system that beats the market average!




    Is this the story here?
     
    #591     May 14, 2008
  2. Someone HELP!

    I got Atticus swearing I stated somewhere I have many C2 subscribers - which I never did!

    And GTS that wants to whine and cry - even though I am nearly delivering and un-equated!

    I do not appreciate you calling me a liar. No lie - that was yesterday.

    I've alluded to such like statements from time to time - but get off my back!

    You should KNOW in this world there are NO GUARANTEES.

    And even having arrived to this point, is merit enough.

    Are you insane? I am pretty much doing what it is that seems right in this wacky world of investment.

    p$
     
    #592     May 14, 2008
  3. Well I guess Sung Gong is another perfect trader!

    System 1 did track fine for it's purpose - emulate covered call results AND add index spread plays to increase annual average from 50% to 75%.

    Many trades and near-exact results up to the last two (newly traded) futures trades that took this system right down 40k (not to 0).

    Next two systems utilized many, MANY trades to become experienced using futures and to now have the rules/results you see before you today.


    I mean of all the C2 systems I do not know of any that didn't have a few past "failures". The only failure is not having said or done anything in this life (which I venture to say are these cases). Also please note that few and far-between are "successful" systems that can continue from this point. I am confident that these will continue to do well.

    So much for my failures!

    PLEASE NOTE that this is not "romper room" or a place for children to vent their trading frustrations.

    Meanwhile, back to the topic at-hand: See previous "top" C2 system comparison graphs.

    :mad: :cool: :mad: :cool:
     
    #593     May 14, 2008
  4. GTS

    GTS

    That's not a coherent sentence but by throwing 50 to 75% in there I hope you are not alleging that your first C2 system in any way approached those levels of return. It spent more time underwater then at or above breakeven - before you blew-up. That is a fact.

    You know, C2 allows you to designate a system as "test" when you create it for just this purpose (you can't re-designate a system as test once created).

    This prevents people from claiming a system is just a test system when it fails but wooing subscribers in case they luck out. Sound like anyone we know?


    Why are you trying to drag others into this? You are the one that made the claims that you had found the holy grail and could generate profits in your sleep - backtracking on your hubris now?

    As for your assurance about your latest creations - how are these assurance different from your past assurances that did not turn out to be true?
     
    #594     May 14, 2008
  5. I never, EVER used the term holy grail. YOU are the one who makes things up. I have a business to back myself up.

    I never get responses like this from my members. So the shoe is actually on your foot - as MUCH as you would like to think otherwise.

    Now that this thread is simply attracting pariahs (go look that term up) I am through. . .but yes go look at the charts again, I think they are telling the truth.

    I mean who takes out a handle just to oppose my efforts. Do you think this person is stable and has the best of intentions? Perhaps those terms you posted from a thesaurus are characterizing you?


    :D :D :D :D

    Anything to detract from what are shaping up as some of the best of Collective2.com's "futures" systems.

    [​IMG]

    pay sense
     
    #595     May 14, 2008
  6. GTS

    GTS

    I never EVER said you did use that exact term but this quote of yours from the first post in this thread is the equivalent of the holy grail of trading:
    Too bad you can't deliver what you promised!
     
    #596     May 14, 2008
  7. Um dinkle-dorf, I am referring to my website services that DO continue to track as such with covered calls. Meanwhile, these current systems are supposed to magnify the same KC.com (not actual url) performance charts by about 4-fold.

    No great surprise there.

    p
     
    #597     May 14, 2008
  8. olias

    olias

    ...No. I think he gets $0.05 per person whom he can lure away from your systems.
     
    #598     May 14, 2008
  9. GTS

    GTS

    No, no great surprise that your web site with unverified paper trades, that does not take into consideration little real-world issues like commissions shows amazing results.

    Its also no surprise that when you are forced to document your so-called amazing performance on a site like C2 where you can't fudge the results that it falls apart and you fail to achieve even modest gains never mind "exponential" gains even after 6 months of trying.

    Funny how that works - but not surprising at all.
     
    #599     May 14, 2008
  10. RZ trade is a familiar favorite that we now feel comfortable with, since it's earnings report date has past.

    This one isn't actually the type of highly-liquid stock that could be used to similarly manage a very large account, but is suited for training my subscribers.

    <b>Thursday, May 15, 2008
    12:20 pm EST

    Bought 300 shares of RZ (Raser Technologies, Inc.) at $9.90 (ask).

    Sold (3) RZ Jun 35 (LDKFG) call option contracts at $0.90 (bid).

    Stop Loss: $9.00</b>

    This 9.1% (10.1% if called away) return came gift wrapped.

    :)

    [​IMG]

    Collective2's home page posts results for GAINERS THIS MONTH (FUTURES). Four of my systems made the list. (Actual names are truncated, per ET policy. PM me if you need more info.)
     
    #600     May 15, 2008
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