Managing Funds for a Living

Discussion in 'Professional Trading' started by paysense, May 18, 2007.

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  1. Real life trading of your method on a significant portion of your net worth consistently for a few months to a few years.

    And records to back it up.

    That's all that's required.

    Everything else (paper trading, competitions, system ranks) is mostly bullshit to be swallowed by the gullible ... but then again, let's not underestimate the ability of hope (and greed) to triumph over common sense.


    "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."

    - Bertrand Russell.
     
    #351     Sep 11, 2007
  2. I am quite apalled at all of these people that believe their BS.

    Must not be experienced traders, must not be educated and must be quite stupid.

    My records are on track, but I won't take the time to share with you how or why.

    You'll just have to "wait-and-see", why I cast these pearls is beyond me.

    Gilbert aka Paysense
     
    #352     Sep 17, 2007
  3. <b>How is everyone?</b> Hope all got thru the correction with their psyche intact. It's all routine here, but I continue to learn very valuable lessons.

    I've been through many, many, many corrections and the last Bear Market. I lived in Silicon Valley in the hey-day (I've now gone Hollywood - CA that is.) By following the flow of institutional money (price and volume action from the major averages) I prepare well for 'tops' and have called every market 'bottom' within days.

    This bodes well for a "trader" and by selling option premiums...I have fully-refined a relatively conservative strategy that AVERAGES 50% per year.

    Since coming to EliteTrader, it was brought to my attention that "slippery" money will not allow for me simply staying in cash (like I've been training members for years at my covered call website which btw manages the world's only "live" covered call fund - that actually meets these lofty expectations and hence IS the best-performing fund on the planet) during downturns, so here at ET I dusted off a nearly fully-developed index spread strategy and implemented it in my Covered Call Fund at Collective2.com.

    Granted this late-stage bull market continues to exude frothiness, yet I've learned the very valuable lesson of including to my (price/volume) <i>proven</i> methods that relative strength amongst market-leading institutional favorite stocks at this juncture can "prop" markets up (as it did from Mar-July as well as the abbreviated, re: Fed intervention, recent correction) - hence no need to be too cautious (like my 2002 stop-loss successes), despite a rapid buildup of distibution days, when GOOG, RIMM, AAPL, BIDU and now a whole slew of Chinese stocks continue their ascent.

    These spread trade skills (coupled with my market timing routine) have now increased my AVERAGE annual return substantially - probably on the order of about an additional 20% per year! My <i>initial</i> entries into (bearish) index spreads at what (on first glance) appeared to be the strong possibility of a market "top"/pending correction - indeed had to be stopped lowering capital by about 15-20%.

    Of course this was recouped with my eventual 25-30% jump, but during these events (tops and bottoms) we'd like to PROFIT the 15-25% <i>almost</i> each time. MORE IMPORTANTLY is the fact that a strict stop-loss methodology ensures preservation of capital and <b><i>these methods can be used for life!</i></b>

    So after the initial "failed" entries <b>the</b> near-exact "top" was spotted and profited from in my C2 account - that only recouped the 12-15% standard hit to a (high-yielding/risk managed) Covered Call Fund. <b>WE LOOK TO NOW JUMP FORWARD</b> 30-50% with our Sept 18 re-enty of our funds in the next few months - not only with covered calls, but with our stock spreads, married puts, bullish index spreads and of course all the while continuing with a <b><i>strict proven stop methodology,</i></b> which is oh-so key.

    Of course no real profits have yet been made, but the astute student will learn that all is very well on track to meet the annual average (every 52 weeks my funds routinely outperform the Nasdaq by about 25% - so this annual return is an <b><i>average</i></b> dictated by the annual market return) with low risk, plenty of free time and sleep and eventually (2-3 years) blasting past the Forex Funds, scalping systems, etc.

    Paysense

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    We actually got hit an extra 10% or so: 7% from not having a stop on IOC (now all positions - not just biotech holdings - have stops and I diversify more) and another 3% plus from various "learning curve" errors. The one spike to the lows was an option "quote" on one open leg of a spread that the actual bid/ask prices we starkly different...and I've adjusted my allocation model for less volatility. Also, my fund was postioned for ANY Fed action but the drift from the highs was the low volume lull that occured when waiting. As you see 20% was quickly recouped with low risk.

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    #353     Oct 4, 2007
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    In the future managed accounts will be held for a pre-determined period (more than one year and likely 2), expectations will be to outperform the market (nasdaq) by 20-30% each 52-week period and overtime my 8-year performance chart growth will even be exceeded.

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    More importantly, <i>all the business I want>/i> will be available, <b>compounded returns will be literally through the roof</b> for anyone that can see past 3 years and understand the market will take down even the very best of managed (actively traded) fund despite their seemingly near-term outperformance.

    :cool:

    Paysense aka Gilbert

    more info: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1629814#post1629814
     
    #354     Oct 4, 2007
  5. Of course if you are like me - on track to meeting these goals, you need to do a 52-week comparison with recent performance.

    In-keeping with all past performance charts, the recent measure of my funds show past gains are preserved as well as outperformance vs Nasdaq (moreso the S&P and Dow). More importantly it can be seen that heady gains in these funds are about to unfold and to again create the untold (well I know) continued annual outperformance.

    The astute eye will see that my current C2 position is a bit better than the norm, but with newly added - still conservative - trading methods even more heightened gains are expected.

    And of course we always take into consideration what the market will continue to throw at us over the years and what is expected and when.

    Well look for yourself and figure it out:

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    (Also, see all past charts you've seen unfold here at ET.)

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    #355     Oct 4, 2007
  6. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    Doin' just fiiine....

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    #356     Oct 4, 2007
  7. @Pekelo

    Which system on C2 is this???

    Ps
     
    #357     Oct 5, 2007
  8. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    I forgot what it is called, a friend of mine testing Hershey's SCT...
     
    #358     Oct 5, 2007
  9. OK I think I found it.

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    However it seems a bit different.

    It trades the "ES" e-mini futures contract at 50X.

    There is a "SP" contract that trades 250X. What are the specifics to trade this?

    gA
     
    #359     Oct 5, 2007
  10. I didn't see the part where you were an ET sponsor...
     
    #360     Oct 5, 2007
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