PS : What I mostly use to understand something to VTP, EEs, PP!s is the following. THE VOLUME TESTING PROCEDURE For volume, there are peaks and troughs to use. They are P1, P2 and P3 and T1, and T2P and T2F. They follow an order of events. P is assigned and other P1's are larger than the assigned. T1 is after a P1 when it is less than a P1. After a T1 the next peak is a P2 or P3 and never a P1. This forms the A band of bands. A P1 may follow a P2 if it exceeds the prior P1. P2's can follow P2's if the prior P2 is exceeded. when any peak question occurs use the leftmost in the test as written on the log. T2P's appear after P2's and they are between P2 and T1 in value. A T2F can appear after a T2P and it is less than a T2P and more than a T1. The T2's are used to define the last move of a trend as a zone of values in the independent variable. For volume, the test procedure determines the OOE of a trend in the independent variable. When a T2P occurs the B band is in effect. When a T2F appears the C band is in effect and the n+1 rule is applied to carry out the EE test on the next bar after the T2F appears. All bands after this full complement of volume elements are in place, occur under special conditions as explicitly defined in the B thru K look up table. A P1 begins a trend ASAP. Two rules: 1. Do P1 on the current bar of failsafe EE's and A band EE's 2. On all other EE's put P1 on the next bar. End Effects The PP1 is the ACCELERATING P1's. PP1a Three P2's happen and there is acceleration. So the PP1a has been invented. PP1b This bird is rare but it’s there. we do complete operations in systems. Three T2P's with acceleration anyway you can get the deal of the cards. PP2 You have two consecutive T1's Hey, a P2 is coming. It lands in BETWEEN the two T1's. You have a PP2 End Effect. PP3 Okay. You get two P1's one after another, no exceptions. Volume lands BETWEEN the two P1 values on the third bar of the trend. PP3a Same as PP3 except........ you have a wait in the form of a lateral BEFORE you get the T1. PP4 PP5 PP5a These are OB type turns. As you remember OB's have an upper level and a lower NEXT level. You do a volume test and get a peak on the upper level. Naturally, the Next on the lower level is a trough. If the other way around just fill it in and keep going. Troughs first do not yield turns. So for P1 and then T1 you get PP4 on the lower level as a result. For P2 and then T2P you get PP5 on the lower level as a result. For T2P and then T2F you get PP5a on the lower level as a result. PP6 PP6a Trough time. There is NO acceleration here. All you do is get three consecutive bar troughs. Three T1's give you the PP6 Three T2P's give you the PP6a. We use price to get permission. The three-step volume test procedure gets bars named and annotated with rays and a T1 in a box. we look for PP's by finding SHAPES. Other EE's are there too. As the trend develops, at P2 we have A band. As other bars are named other bands appear one at a time in a specific sequence. Only the EE's of the band can appear at these band-specific times. All the OOE's are kicking in. We constantly steer and focus on a few things bar by bar. In PP arena we have acceleration, in between volume, OB EE's, and the shrinking volume triples. It is coming into view. 35 EE's 14 are in the PP subset. those not explained happen very rarely. We can pick them up later. So the A band has 8. Aa through Ah. 8 posts coming up A band is when P2 comes up and THEN more bars after P2. 7 of the 8 are HVBO. High Volume Break Outs. More volume than the A band volume range. One is Ab the LVBO. So, 14 plus 8 is 22 out of 35. the 13 remaining are spread all over the bands B through H. The major clue to getting EE's is to know the band in effect for the bar you are measuring. In trends, you first get volume elements and the OOE of volume elements gives you the EE turns. As you learn permission by price, then you learn volume OOE’s and then you learn band OOE's and the turns (EE's) in the bands. P1 and T1 define the A band top and bottom respectively. P2 could be in or out of A band. A geometric trend is established by P2. B band comes into effect with the advent of T2P. C band is between T2P and T2F. A Band Volume A band is there in place. It has three zones: inside, above and below. Inside has no 1 band EE's; new later bands are slipped into place. 7 are above as HVBO's. One is below as LVBO and specifically Ab in name. Aa HVBO A four-bar lateral gets built. It cannot be simple and straight forward. If it is then the next bar takes you to other bands or is just a new P1 BUT if the four-bar contains an internal (wait) somewhere along the line, the four-bar is primed for ending. A four-bar including a wait is an HVBO Aa if an HVBO comes along. Ab LVBO If a bar, after P1 to T1 to P2 occurs that is less than T1, it is an Ab LVBO. These are frequent and often occur in pairs near one another. Ac HVBO You have three P1's BUT they do NOT accelerate. So, you always check for acceleration which gives a PP1. A NOT PP1 sets the scene for an Ac. you get a T1 to P2 then you are in the A band. Internals can happen on the way. If the bar comes along that is an HVBO of the band, then you have an Ac. Ad HVBO You absorbed the Aa HVBO this sequence is similar BUT..... You get a P1 or P1's to T1 to P2....... there is an internal somewhere as well... But there is no T2P to give you a four-bar (with internal)....... What happens on the next TWO bars are P1's. The second consecutive P1 is designated Ad HVBO. Ae HVBO You are logging from an assigned P1 and you get two T1's, then you have a P2. A band is there without the T2P. After the 2 T1's and P2 you are on alert for an Ae, when you get an HVBO it is an Ae (A T2P was replaced so to speak.) Ag VEBO No typo. You are tooling along. You get to P2 one way or another (carte blanche)..... Check out that P2 is > P1. So after P2 consider seeing a P1 or a T2P. IF a P1 then designate the bar as Ag VEBO. Af HVBO You are in a lateral. You are getting the job done. Suddenly an HVBO occurs in the lateral after you have the P1 to T1 to P2 in the lat. What you see is what you get; designate it as Af HVBO. Ba and Bc Ba is found when P2 is greater than P1 or an inside bar has a larger volume than the outside bar AND the volume is between P2 and T2P. If P2 is less than P1, the Bc volume is between P2 and P1. C band pass The volume value is between T2P and T2F on the next bar after the T2P. F type EE's Fa, Fb, Fc and Fd Bands A, B and C occur, then an extreme bar appears. It can be very high or very low. Let’s go from least to most in value. Before in the A band an Ab could appear when the bar value was after P2 and lower than T1. Later after the T2P and T2F have appeared the F context comes into view. HVBO's can appear as well. If P2> P1, then a volume value just less than P1 is an Fa. If P1> P2, then Fb is a value just greater than P2. Fc is a value lower than T2F. Fd is a value lower than T1. G the G band occurs on n+1 tests of the c band. The volume value is less than the T2F and greater than T1. The name P3F is assigned to the bar and this assignment means the trend did not end by having a third peak in the OOE of peaks. Ha Hb H band occurs after the primary band (A band) And the Secondary band (C Band) have occurred and AFTER n+1 testing has occurred in any band where n+1 testing is done (C and K bands) Ha covers HVBO, above the A and C zones and higher than P2 if P2> P1. Hb is the LVBO below both the A and C bands. Both occur rarely and are there as part of later trending completeness. Ka and Kb EE's In volume testing, it is possible to have sequences of T2P's and T2F's be alternating solutions. A test procedure must be applied without nuances or anomalies. Neither of these facets can be part of a system of operation of markets. Most CW OODA based orientations omit this constraint and allow incompleteness. All quant activity does this incompleteness violation. Two sequences emerge: T2P to T2F to T2P OR T2F to T2P to T2F. The n+1 rule is invoked, and the C band pass is tested. The band pass on the former triple is Ka. The band pass on the latter is Kb. A failure is either a peak or a P3F depending upon the nature of the secondary BO. If an extreme LVBO occurs, you use an EE already described. If an extreme HVBO peak occurs another EE is used. Trend types advance one type at a time as a trend encounters each EE. they are A, B C and D. Read the development of the four trend types elsewhere. Turn types advance similarly. a. b. and c. There is one exception, all trends end on "c" turns. An “A” turn is Dominant to Non-Dominant. A “B” turn is Non-Dominant to Dominant. A “C” turn is Dominant to opposite Dominant. All of this is done with a deductive proof as can be seen in the system of operation of the markets. The Modrian table presents the relative contexts for the appearance of all c turns. IF the before and after EE appears in the Modrian table, the after is a c turn; if not then the turn is the next turn in the progression a to b to c. The Modrian table is designed for finding the type of turn. An EE is an end of a trend and it designates a profit taking opportunity. So always show the independent variable in your reasoning. Keep the independent variable in the picture. this allows you to go to the price pane and complete the status for making money. You place the arrow, you add the trend type, from this you determine the turn type. At this moment you can decide about sidelining. All of this takes you to the Move Reversal table. This is where you determine if you should take the trade. I use the "Move Reversal " look up table. It has trend type and EE type colored the same as the Modrian table. So it is easy to use. If the EE and turn are cited, take the trade; if not, then a HOLD thru or some such ensues. At this point, you have EE's that can be EXITS showing on the chart. Begin to use the Move Reversal chart to be able to know to "hold thru". Hold thru is found by reading the proper colored pane to FIND the trend, turn EE combo at hand. IF IT IS THERE, you are going to take an ACTION. Here are the proactive actions: 1. if all arrows (30min, bar color and turn arrow line up), THEN REVERSE. 2, If arrows DO NOT LINE UP, THEN SIDELINE. 3. If there is NO LISTING, then HOLD THRU. 4. If you previously HELD THRU and now at this EE the arrows are the same, THEN STAY IN THE TRADE. So, this lookup table (Move Reversals) being posted refines the last aspect of a turn into: holding thru, sidelining, taking the trade and taking the trade while minimizing losses. FTT ---> FTT ---> Reverse FTT ---> FBO ---> Exit FTT ---> BO ---> Hold
Since you are so very confused, I thought this annotation could not harm. Is it accurate? I don't know. It is my methods which are different than Sprouts, but, it is the differences, similarities, unknowns and misunderstoods that create Aha moments. Specific questions/comments are welcome. HTH
Your 5m should be looking inside your 30 min bar. Also your 30m is including non-RTH. You only want to focus on the 30m bars within RTH. To make this clearer you’d have to cut and paste keeping the RTH segment and excluding the non-RTH segment. So let’s go to that 5m and use that bar. If it’s truly a BO,T1 then a couple of thing will be true. 1) that this bar either in form and/or close has broken an established RTL formed by a previous two bar price case (there are exceptions to this which is why one must use logic vs rules, more on this later) The following is in the context of taping. You’ve done the three bar drill which has cataloged all the permutations of 3bars that can present itself in the finite ways that it can. This drill uses the first bar as a pt1 in price and creates 2 things; 1) a BM and 2) a RTL from this bar connecting to the pt3 of the 2nd bar The third bar when viewed by first, the Form will either cause the RTL to fan if trend is intact or be the pt1 of new trend. If it’s a pt1 of a new trend in the opposite direction then it gets a BM pronto. In SCT the prior bar’s ftt is used as the pt1, in RDBMS it’s the bar that BO’s the previous BM or the RTL that is used as a pt1. In RDBMS this bar is also a P1 of volume because all FS are a P1 in volume. To answer the above whether one fans or not then one looks at sentiment of the bar. But this is done with the following context in mind: some Forms are translation bars, some forms are internals and then there is the OB. So for example two versions of XB followed by an XR as a three bar combination. The XB could be either 1) 2nd bar VE If so then VE bar sentiment is a) long b) short <—-ibgs 2) 2nd bar ftt If so then ftt bar sentiment is a) long b) short. <—-ibgs With the above context and a BM and RTL established for a tape, the 2nd case (now three bars in consideration) can be evaluated. If XB and the HL is above the current RTL, offset and accelerate the RTL using the 2nd bar’s HL as new pt1. If the HL is below the current RTL yet the sentiment is still long, then fan using the original pt1. If XR and the Close is above the BM and below the RTL then BO,T1. If the Close is below the BM then in addition to the above it’s also a BM,rev. The BM,rev (in this case) became a BO,T1 first by going through it’s zone of delineation. Since it’s a FS a BM is placed at the LH pronto. If the XR stopped within the zone, reversed and then went to a HH, then an OB presented. Depending on sentiment determines what type of OB it is. In either case since it is an OB a BM gets placed at the HH but only if volume was increasing. OB’s that are troughs in volume are signals of continuation not change (turns.) If the trend continues long the next bar will be a BM,rev. If not and the tape trend goes short, then P1 assigned in volume. Think of RDBMS as organizational cubbies, everything has a place or a home that is unique to it. What makes a BM, rev unique and separate from a bar that is both BO,T1 and BM,rev? Edit: With the above info on BM’s and RTL’s one can process an entire day’s bars in the price pane and come pretty close to what the RDBMS outputs would be. The advantage of RDBMS is that the turns will be indicated quite frequently in volume a bar or two before it presents itself on the price pane.
Some thinking, into this extreme day for me. What surges absolutely crystal clear in my mind is what follows. I'm not talking about anything precisely, I mean, about any subject, matter, area, knowledge or ability in particular. I feel what I'm gonna write is ALWAYS TRUE, when/what/wherever one is talking about. - when one has a question, that question comes from two opposite forces : constatation of lack of understanding VS will of understanding. Once one notes something is un-understood, one has the choice to ask the question. What is a question ? A question is the formulation of the hiatus noted by one, between what is willed and what is reached. Each and every time one asks a question, then one shows by that question that one is at a certain point of comprehension. The question asked lets the answerer ubicate the level of understanding the asker it at. If the asker can ubicate itself the level of its question, then the question changes. What do I mean ? -> I mean that one only can understand the particular COMPARED TO the universal; and the universal can only be understood COMPARED to the singular. What is the singular ? -> subjectiveness, scenario, Example, a PIECE of the WHOLE. What is universal ? -> objectiveness, General, the Totality = THE CONTEXT I've been noticing CLEARLY and WITHOUT ANY DOUBT, that each and every time one can LOCATE the CONTEXT its question comes from, then the question MIGRATES to another one. In other words, each time I manage to ubicate the context my question is into, I see that my question doesn't need to be anymore, cause I understand that IN THAT PARTICULAR CONTEXT, ONLY THAT PRECISE QUESTION (THAT I ASKED) COULD SURGE. This leads me to say that by identifying each and every context any of my questions is into, I understand I had no choice to ask THAT particular question. Then there's to be sweet with oneself. Like Volume leads Price, CONTEXT LEADS QUESTIONS. So, all the matter, I understand and perceive now, is to be able to GET THE RIGHT WHOLE AND OBJECTIVE CONTEXT that will lead to THE RIGHT QUESTION which will lead to THE ALWAYS TRUE ANSWER. Since long now, every question I made was answered by : IT DEPENDS. What does is depend on ? -> The context. What is the "context" in "JH Universe" ? Context is given by the PARTICULAR STATE of the relationship between Dependant and Independant Variables which leads to 3 levels of fractals, all three working together and forming a WHOLE CONTEXT. "In maths, 3 is a very powerfull number". By identifying the context that made surge any question, THE QUESTION DISAPPEARS BY ITSELF. For example, I can't even count the number of times that I was here on ET, writing my next post that would be a question, and the simple fact to begin to write these messages led me to understand my own questions, because by (trying to) formulating it, the context came into my mind, and I told to myself : "ok, now that question doesn't need to be anymore, and you had no choice but only ask it, being as you had not identified the context of your question". As a result, I have begun tons of posts that were never posted. So, I feel and understand now that ALL THE MATTER is not to be able to ASK the RIGHT QUESTION, but to be ABLE TO IDENTIFY AND LOCK THE WHOLE AND TOTAL CONTEXT MAKING DISAPPEAR ALL RABBIT HOLES....by knowing what something is not, I can know what it is. What is a thing ? It is everything (it can be) LESS what it is NOT. Therefore, to know TOTALLY WHAT SOMEHTING IS, one needs to TOTALLY KNOW WHAT IT IS NOT. Asking the right question avoiding the context does not mean absolutely anything. Nor "find the RIGHT question" means anything. The question does not lead to anything but another one. In contrary, what really mean EVERYTHING, is GET THE TOTAL CONTEXT and the OBVIOUS, LOGICAL and UNIQUE question will surge by itself. IMMANENCY. It would be like willing to know were price will go, ignoring volume. Things go in a certain way, the only way it can be. The Independant Variable follows an OOE. That order always reveals itself, it's all up to one to develop its ability to identify when the OOE begins, continues, and ends...before overlapping and divinely begin again forever. Where price will go -> impossible to answer. Where can't price go -> always possible to answer. This will lead then to ask the only question that needs to be. Logically, in the end, if I can UBICATE, DEFINE and LOCK DEFENITELY the WHOLE CONTEXT, there will not be any question to ask, cause all the questions that can be asked will be auto-cancelled. There will just be to DO, nothing to ask or think. JUST DO IT @Sprout, I feel now the universe is here to support. I was FIGHTING against it. BE, DO, HAVE Gonna take a break for some hours, meditate all this... Aha....
@tiddlywinks and @Sprout As I just posted my last message, I see you already provided support, help and answers. Thank you so much... so much... But RIGHT NOW, I feel so empty that I won't be able to hold the rythm and dissect your so precious contribution. I need a break for today, and will be back tomorrow at latest. Take care of you, you guys have all my admiration.
@WchPl : You're not alone becoming overwhelmed. Do you like puzzle solving? I absolutely hate it. Reminds me too much of buggy programs! However, trading and JH method are both puzzle solving, no way around it. So how can you start loving to work on puzzles? I believe one need to start simple, with the corner pieces. What are the corner pieces helpful to your progress and trading using JH? Is it possible to only start with that, and start loving solving those pieces of the puzzle? So what are failsafes, how and why do one use them, and can you just look at that first and try to solve for FS first only. Keeping in mind RDBMS do not need containers the same way as other JH methods do. FS alone is enough to keep mind occupied for weeks/months!
Yesterday affected me too much to be able to work today. See you tomorrow guys, hope all is working out for you. @Simples , I'll answer soon thank you for your contribution
Breaks are good. I think you also psyche yourself out. You know how to annotate tapes, traverses and channels. Jack’s work dovetails and you do not need to throw everything out when attempting to integrate new material. Build on what you know. Truth builds on what’s true and false and knowing the difference between them. Jack’s work is a descriptive language. You are at the threshold of studying a language academically to using it as a means to be conversational. Focus on what you have accomplished so far and let that build momentum.
Got a few questions. Is the last bar annotated not a PP1? It was a P1-P1-W-P1, and PP1's don't get a "kill" so I thought it would be PP1. Perhaps it was not considered acceleration here? Found something interesting, I see that you start a new segment every time FS is activated regardless of if it actually reverses (closes beyond BM) or not. It does seem to make sense in that it seems to track the change in volume "pace" this way. Only question is, how do you determine whether to reverse or not? Just wait out until EOB?
In order to ubicate MY context, I'm beginning with 2019 my 5th year of studying that so hard work of JH universe. I became overwhelmed MANY MANY months ago already. The threshold you're talking about is way behind me. I've never solved nor tried even once any puzzle in my life. I then don't really know if I like it or not ^^ However, although I understand your idea , I feel like in your message some things are missing as I would say : Do you like or can you start loving solving puzzle when you know that : - it is composed of thousands of pieces scattered in a 300ft sq house - some pieces are concealed under cupboards, beds, furnitures, or stuck on the ceiling - along time some cleaning-ladies did all they could to mess it even more - some pieces and you don't know many, are altered by time so it's so hard to distinguish what is on, that one must try/imagine/test different options for different pieces - there are pieces that are part of different puzzles, no the same one, but leading in fact the same image in the end, with only nuances on the precision of that same image - you are not able to distinguish with certitude which piece pertains to which puzzle (puzzle = JH methods) - the original puzzle maker did what was necessary to let the resolution impossible to the greedy - there is no existing box of the puzzle where you can see the full image you must get to - you have no possibility to meet in person anybody would could solve it at 100% In those conditions... do I like solving puzzle ? No, and I assume no one ever could. BUT.................... I KNOW IT WORTHS IT, I KNOW THE FULL IMAGE EXISTS, I FEEL ALL THIS IS PERFECTLY TRUE and I BELIEVE I can solve it. That's what makes ALL the difference So, Answer to the question you asked in the way you did : I don't know Answer to my question exposed as I did : NO, NEVER Answer to my question with my beliefs, will, capacities, and self-sacrifice = my question + what I am : HOLLY YES !!!!! Even though it almost literally kills me most of time. Anyway, I now feel support from universe like I never did, and this making a HUGE difference. Yes I do, and I will. Those two sentences, even after thinking it and being helped by traductors, does not make me feel at ease with the sense you wanted to give it to. Could you please reformulate it a bit with other/simpler words please ? I'm not sure to understand what you meant here. I know this, and it's thanks to you Let me just say that when I fell i'm loosing previous knowledges by acquiring new ones, it's because the nature and links between new material I try to add, "cancel" the prior ones. But I know all works together. Today's goals -> studying the post that prior quoted is from -> keeping building MindMap -> re-find some material on FS Have a nice day guys, hope all is working out for you Thank you very much for your support @Sprout , @tiddlywinks and @Simples . Your presence, words and reactivity contribute SO A LOT to my capacity to keep on the road. You all are really fantastic to me.