As I was beginning to retake my sheet with the sequences, I noticed I forgot one node in the n+2 column. It was P node. Let’s dig it. P node By nature, P is a choice node. We’ve met various of this kind. It converges either fail of doji or pass of doji during IBGS test N. Either result is feedback to E to confirm either and confirm lock in. Remember what was E node ? It was a choice node inside n+1 column (enter). You choose here, betwwen F or G. Both F and G deal with dominance. G comes from C while F comes from B if I remember correctly. So when we’re at P ; we come from the result, whichever it is, of N test and are sent to E in order to choose between F and G. The MADA doc states that at P, you hold according to IBGS pass/fail color to EOB and you go to Q AND at MADA 14, if N test passes then you go to Z and you reverse as n+1 bar at P, and from P you feedback to MADA 5 = you are at E and test for L if required. This was P node. Now that I’ve progressed until n+2 column nodes included, let’s study the sequence involving nodes from all columns, being as J, K, N and Z has been already widely discussed. The goal is to provide inputs and questions along the study, in order to be able at last, to produce consistent and relevant DDs. 1-C>>G>>S>>K>>J 2-A>>D>>F 3-L>>Q 4-L>>M 5-F>>J 6-Cwait>>G 7-J>>A>>B 8-S>>J>>A>>B 9-Lfail>>X>>A>>B 10-B>>F>>H to X>>J>>A 11-B>>F>>Q>>R>>X>>J>>A 12-B>>F>>Q>>S>>J>>A 13-S>>V>>U>>W>>Y>>Q>>J>>A 14-R>>T>>U>>N>>Z 15-S>>V>>U>>N>>Z 16-(F+D)>>L>>M 17-(G+D)>>L>>M 18-F>>NotL>>M 19-G>>NotL>>M 20-M>>N 21-N>>P>>E>>F 22-R>>..V>>..>>S 23-C>>…G 24-A>>C>>G 25-M>>N>>Z or fail to >>P>>E or G 26-Four ways to get to M 27-M>>N>>test pass/fail>>P>>E>>F 28-B>>F 29-From trough, no direct path to J/K To be continued...
1-C>>G>>S>>K>>J Let's state we just exited, we're sent at A, we are in midday, volume is at VDU/DU. So we choose C and wait. At EOB, we're at C. Next bar opens, we're in n+1, and 12 seconds after PRV can either say we'll meet LI, or we'll not. Let's say it says we will. PRV exceeds prior trough of volume, no mater what the color is. We're at G. We hold and wait to see if LI is met along bar. Let's say it does. We have held for L. We’re at L. At L we hold for EOB, so let’s say there’s no doji, so no M node. We’re at EOB, we are at L. n+2 bar opens. At this time, PRV could exceed prior trough or it could not. Let’s say it does, no matter what is the color. So we’re at S. What do we do at S ? we hold for T for J/K at X or U. At S we hold for T for J/K at X or U. T = choose X or U X = failure of J or K J or K = failure of Dom. So X = failure of failure of Dom = Dom So at T = choose X or U = choose Dom or U U = choose between N and W N = doji test W = LI for R/S So U = choose between doji test and (LI for R/S) Then at T = choose Dom or choose between doji test and (LI for R/S) Therefore, at S, we hold for (choose Dom or choose (doji or LI for R/S)) for (non Dom) at [(failure of J/K) or (choose doji or LI for R/S). Uff..pure non sense. I’m lost. Let’s let this aside for now and not be overwhelmed. Let’s see next sequence. 2-A>>D>>F We just exited, we’re at A. We choose B or C. EOB happens, we’re not in midday, so we choose B. Next bar opens, it is n+1 bar. 12 seconds after O, PRV exceeds prior bar which is determined as being a trough (atm, for me, this implies n-1 bar was > n bar) AND color has changed. We’re at F. We’ve made A>>D>>F. Clear. 3-L>>Q We exited, we’re at A, we choose C for example for that we’re in midday and G conditions are met at n+1, along the bar. After that, along the same bar, volume exceeds prior peak. We’re at L, we’ve held from G for L. So we’re at L. Dominance is at play. EOB comes. We’re at L. Next bar, so n+2 opens, so we have to choose between R and S. So we’re at Q. We’ve made L>>Q. Clear. 4-L>>M Same path as before except… after meeting LI so being at L along n+1, C return back to O and touches it. We meet doji and do N test. We are at M just before being sent to N. We’ve made L>>M. Clear 5-F>>J We’ve exited and arrived at A. We’re out of midday. Volume on n bar is non Dom. So we choose B. At EOB we’re at B. n+1 opens. 12seconds after O, PRV exceeds prior bar which is defined as a trough. Color changes, also. We’re at F. n+1 continues to unfold, but finally PRV falls below prior bar and EOB comes and, finally, volume falls below prior. We’re at J so we exit and go to A. We’ve made F>>J. Clear 6-Cwait>>G See path 1 7-J>>A>>B For instance, see end of path 5 8-S>>J>>A>>B Let’s say we’ve made at bar n, A>>B, then at n+1 (look back D)F>>L, then we’re at bar n+2, it opens and PRV shows increasing volume compared to prior trough (which then was B so n bar) so at Q we choose S. atm, I see that by adding a « OR » between « for T » and « for J or K » in the MADA 19/20 (R/S) texts, it could maybe solve the problem I had on path1. Nevermind, let’s see farer. Finally, at EOB, volume is below prior bar. We meet J node that can happen on any value of n, in our case it’s n+2. So we exit, feedback to A and being we’ve chosen B at the beginning it means we’re not into midday, so let’s say we’re still not into that period of low volume range, so we choose B again. We’ve made S >>J>>A>>B. Quite clear. Quite, due to « hold for ..for.. » issue. 9-Lfail>>X>>A>>B We’ve exited, so we’re at A and choose B as an example cause we’re not in midday. Then F conditions are met during n+1. We’re at F along the bar. EOB n+1 comes, and finally, we do not meet LI so it’s Lfail = Not L node. We’re in non-Dom now, we exit at A and choose B again. We’ve made Lfail>>X>>A>>B. Clear. 10-B>>F>>H to X>>J>>A We exited and fedback to A. We choose B cause volume is non-Dom and we’re out of midday (before or after). N+1 bar opens, we look back at 12sec, PRV says we’ll not meet lock in, so we’re sent to H as H is when dominance failure occurs during n+1 bar for either an F or a G. So we’re alerted that non-Dom is at play, we’re sent to H and then cut to X. Let’s say volume appears to be below prior bar. We’re at J (I notice it could be K, there must be differenciation to operate, but I see I can’t for now). So we go to X by J and are sent to A. We’ve made B>>F>>H to X>>J>>A. Not clear. 11-B>>F>>Q>>R>>X>>J>>A Same beginning as prior sequence until F. This time we meet LI, so we’re at L node and wait EOB. Next bar is n+2. We’re at Q and PRV (I notice I’m unsure whether we use PRV here or not) after 12sec says increasing volume same color. We choose R. End of the studies for today. It has been a hard day… Any comment, support, or indication will be appreciated. To be continued…
Have you reproduced the 3x5 cards from post #322? Have you made the corrections on the “MADA Finite Series for Cycle 1” from post #124? They should help. btw, There is no path from Node S to Node T, however there is from Node T to Node S. S can go through V to ‘X’, then J or K OR S can go through V to U to W to Y to G
Ok. I had missed this 3x5 cards doc along the reading. Better said, I had missed to donwload to file. So I had not copied it. It’s done now, I’ve handcopied it. Let’s have then a new study of nodes, under the light of this doc. Black tex twill be from 3x5 cards, in blue you’ll find my own comments. 3x5 cards A Wait Node for sitting after Exit from J or K Choose B or C when available. USE PVR AND PRIOR BAR Up to now, my own comprehension of node A is that it’s the node at which we arrive at each and any time we’ve exited. We exit and feedback from anywhere we do so, and the nit takes us to A where we are to choose between B and C. That was my comprehension. Addind the above info, I see the possible paths from which to arrive to A are J and K. Both J and K deal with non-Dom surge, with a subtle difference. We have to choose between B and C, this is ok. We use PRV and prior bar. What this means for me is that when you’ve exited at J or K and you arrive at A, it is because you have used PRV compared to prior bar. This would mean we use PRV for determining J or K status of any bar. Let’s see if this is confirmed. B Wait Non Dom Node to sit and wait for F D condition is Trough on n OR BEFORE Go to ENTER on open of n +1 USE PRV AND n or trough before n My current LOU is that B is a wait node, and it’s one of the choices we can make being at A. Being as we’ve exited and arrived at A AND it’s by using PRV and prior bar that we choose (J or K) to A, we choose B cause we’re either before or after midday. I see here it is talked about D node. Its condition is a trough on n or before. So to be at D status, we see a trough on prior bar or before. Where it was, no matter where it was, prior trough, period. Once EOB is there, B node can be the final choice. If it is so, then we go to open of n+1 bar. Here again, we use PRV AND n bar is it’s a trough (D) or earlier in volume pane if prior bar is not a trough. C Wait This is “illiquid pace node” Sit in VDU or DU and wait for G AND Trough on prior bar AND use prior PEAK as reference ENTER on next open IF SURGE > prior peak (any color) My current comprehension is that C node is the other choice (with B) that we can do from A. It is for when volume is at DU/VDU level. At this status you wait until EOB and go to n+1 ENTER. At C you must wait for G condition to be here, which are volume surge > prior peak, any color. Here, it is confirmed. You use trough on prior bar and use prior peak as reference. If G conditions are met, enter on n+1. D Reference Look back NODE Sit is Wait – Establish reference trough as bar n OR BEFORE Look for beginning of dominant move on n+1 open ENTER on open D node is not the most clear for me atm. It is for me, like a backwards node (like retro on Lats in RDBMS for instance). It is the node we are at when at n+1 bar open, we look back to find trough. It could be on prior bar or before. It is said here that it is a lookback node. So it could be that this node defines the look back action. Congruent with the « retro’ comparison. Fine. You sit and wait, estblish the reference trough as bar n OR BEFORE. So it is not necessary at D node to observe a trough on prior bar, the only necessary thing is to find the prior trough and have it as the reference to which compare what will be next. You look for dom move on n+1 open, which must mean you use PRV at 12sec and if PRV states volume will reach LI. And if so, yo entr at open. If it is not the case….I don’t know atm. It will be DDd. E DOJI Exit choice NODE Bar is n+1 ENTER bar. For post DOJI IBGS box N test: __Select F or G status at color change of DOJI___ IF volume declines below LOCK IN, EXIT Then, VIA H, choose J or K and feedback to A I have considered that E node is like Q node but at Enter column. It’s where we proceed to either find F or G. That’s all. Here it is said it deals with doji and is an exit choice node. Wow. Full contradiction with was I hade understood. Good. For post doji IBGS box N test…this means it’s the case where in n+1 bar, we meet M node. Doji is there. So we must do N test. Then select F or G status at color change of doji : so this means N test passes. So it must mean if the doji happens AND the test passes, then you must choose either F or G condition. I know F and G are Dom volume surge. So this would mean apart from having a doji pass, we have PRV saying we’ll meet lock in, and in the end if it’s the case we’d be at L and go to proceed to Q. Then the text says : if volume declines below lock in, you exit. Here I have a doubt. Does this mean if PRV falls below lock in OR volume at EOB is below lock in ? I don’t know atm. If first option is true, the nit would lead to multi « back to A » moves along the same bar. Finally the text says : VIA H, then choose J or K and feedback to A. H is when either for F or G, dom volume fails. So if after selecting F or G status at color change of doji, volume grops below lock in, then via H you exit cause Dom has failed to happen for either F or G. F Dom volume W/color change NODE Bar is n+1 ENTER bar. IF volume declines below LOCK IN, EXIT Then, VIA H, choose J or K and feedback to A IF volume maintains and lock in occurs, go to L, then Q at end of bar From what I’ve understood so far, F is for an an +1 bar, after a B status on prior bar. When n+1 bar opens, we look its PRV at 12sec. Either it says we’ll meet lock in and volume changes, or it could say dom will fail to surge then we’d exit to A via H. In the first case,we’d be at F. From the first nodes texts read in the 3x5 cards I’m beginning to imagine something new : maybe we’re always to use PRV in any column. And along a single bar formation, PRV can say several things. From what I remember, we use PRV at 12sec, then at 60, 120, 180, 240 and 300 finally. It’s not very useful nor sensful to say we measure PRV at 300 being as it is necessarily equal to real volume level at EOB. So it would be a 5 times PRV measurement. And the consecutive 5 results could lead to different IDs. Hmm.. Interesting although I’m unsure this is partly, mostly, totally wrong/correct. In any case, it’s a new idea that surges to my mind as I’m working on this FCC1. Good. What reinforces the confidence I have in what I just said, is the « maintains » word in the text. The text says F is a Dom volume move w/ change of color. It is n+1 bar. Then, if volume falls below LI you exit. Which volume ? PRV I’d say. And as you exit, you choose J or K towards A. Then it is said : if volume maintains and lock in occurs, go to L. This is the « maintains » in question that makes me think it’s to PRV we’re referring to here. Along the 5 measurement, « volume » but in fact, PRV could consecutively indicate an anticipated final non dom volume, and at the very first result of PRV, we’d be sent to A via J/K. Or it could consecutively indicate an anticipated lock in level of volume, and this would consecutively take us from F to L. Or, final option, PRV along its 5 measurement could alternate between Dom/nonDom final volume, and this would lead to what was called « multi DA » in a single bar. That would be intrabar multi orders. This would be extracting the full offer (FO) of the market’s first step. And then Q at EOB. Again, I’m unsure atm, but it sounds new and provides clarity, at least. G Enter bar after end of “illiquid pace node” Sit in VDU or DU and wait for G Use reference Trough on prior bar OR BEFORE Use prior PEAK as reference ENTER on open when volume SURGES > prior peak (any color) IF volume declines below LOCK IN, EXIT Then, VIA H, choose J or K and feedback to A IF volume maintains and lock in occurs, go to L, then Q at end of bar G for me is when volume exceeds prior volume peak when..ok, I notice I was gonna say something wrong. I understand G is when coming out of midday. To determine a peak, we need an decreasing volume bar just after the peak bar in question. A peak is a peak only if compared to a trough. Troughs exist cause peaks are there. Day can’t be without night. Any thing is only the relation to what it is not. Etc. So the text says use reference trough on prior bar or before. Use prior peak as reference. So we’re after end of VDU/DU period, volume (PRV I suspect) exceeds prior peak which is our reference, and which is determined to prior trough that can be either on prior bar or before. If G conditions ar emet, then we enter. From what I currently suspect, as long as PRV says we’ll exceed prior peak, we’re at G. ASA PRV along one of its 5 measurements, announces a falling volume compared to prior peak, then dom fails and we’re at H and take J/K to feedback to A. Or…volume could maintain above prior peak and END above it and this would take us to L. From what I DD, it must PRV that is used along the bar and now current volume, because if not, this would make H node impossible. Therefore, what I can DD from that, is that we could have back and forth moves in terms of nodes along the bar. For example,F conditions are met at 12sec of n+1 bar, same until 4min measurement where this time PRV says non-Dom will be the final status of volume, which would take us to A via H, we’d choose B….but what if between 4th and 5th minute, lock in appears finally ? Would this take us to L ? Here there’s a problem. I think I need a new bar for that. I mean, we need n+1 bar. Ow ,but that’s where we are, at n+1. Hmm… need visual illustrations, more nodes studies and critical thinking to arrive at DD. This FCC1, although it is far away from the complexity of certains items of RDBMS, like EE’s for example, begins to look like them a bit. H “OR” NODE Pass through H coming from F or G Only on way to J or K VIA “X” For now, I have no problem with this node. J EXIT NODE Exit when volume fails to lock in during any bar. (includes F, G, R or S nodes) OR Exit when DOJI test fails because price cannot pass through and beyond DOJI Feedback to A ASAP and determine Wait node B or C. The first sentence can be interpreted as a confirmation for me. Exit when volume fails to lock in during any bar. In fact, I notice all the current crux I am facing, reminds me the concept of « re-enter ». If the volume in question was at EOB, could JH have said « during » any bar ? I don’t think so. It makes me believe it’s PRV we’re talking about here… The exit action for that non-Dom appears during any bar includes F, G, R, S nodes. (I was just rereading some nodes and : ) I may have just cleared up something. I realize now, I’ve, since the beginning uncounsciously considered n bar as = 1st bar of the trend ; n+1 bar = 2nd bar of the trend ; n+2 bar = 3rd bar of the trend ; n+x = 1+xth bar of the trend and so on. This is so wrong I think now.. I can see for example, in column n+1 we can be sent to H status. This is a n+2 column node. This would make one consider its current bar (n+1) as sent to a n status (A) via a n +2 node/status (H). And we’d be at A at N. AT N. So this would be a MOMENT along the SAME bar formation. From this, I can DD the « re-enter » concept AND I see much more of the flow of the FCC1. This was maybe a huge Aha for the resoluton of this chart…. All this is making me sweat quite a bit. So, at J either you exit because of L-fail (NotL), OR you exit when doji test fails. In any case, feedback to A. I see many price paths inside a single bar. I see fractals. I see nesting action. I see a lot of things. Is all this tending towards divine precision ? « As an expert, you knock down from 3 to 6x ATR each day ». Oh yes it is…. K EXIT NODE Exit when ANY color non dominant volume occurs. Feedback to A ASAP and determine Wait node B or C. I am not yet able to distinguish J and K. L Lock In NODE Sit at L when F or G volume exceeds the prior bar volume. Hold through end of bar and proceed to Q. This may be, seeing what the text hee says, the node I had best undrstod so far with M and N. It is here clear for me (but I am ready to unvalidate in a near future what i’m gonna say) that in n+1, once current volume along the bar exceeds LI, we go from F/G to L. So F and G must have been temporary status of the bar until volume effectively exceeded LI. Temporary status based on volume. This must deal with PRV. It must !! If so, so if LI occurs, you hold until EOB and arrive at open of next bar at Q. M DOJI NODE When DOJI occurs BEFORE or AFTER lock in, PROCEED to N DOLI test box. We have a lot of clarity here. Doji can happn after or before lock in. In any case we perform N doji test. P “OR” Feedback GATE Pass through P coming from DOJI Failure or AFTER DOJI PASS with color change Proceed to node E and consider bar to be an n+1 bar. At E, choose F or G upon arrival at E. If I remember correctly, I have neglected the study of P node ; It’s time to remedy that. What I understand of this node, at the light of the text, is that after an N doji test, the result is binary : pass or fail. In any case, I understannd you feedbcl to E and …consier the bar to be a n+1 bar. I had neglected a node that is a big confirmation of what I am sensing today on this chart. Q “OR” NODE Pass through Q coming from F or G or lock in L node. Only on way to R or S. Choose R or S at beginning of bar n+2. The first sentence creates dissonance to me. From what I’ve understood, at F or G, PRV can along its 5 measurements : - Fall below prior bar : To A through H - Always be above prior bar : Hold for F/G and go to L at LI then to Q - Alternate between above/below LI and make a B>>F>>H>>A>>B>>F etc loop, for example And at any time during bar or at EOB, 2 possibilities : - LI occurs, so we’re at L and go to Q - LI does not occur, and go to A via H by choosing J/K In any case, I see I can go to Q only from L, which is a node I see as kind of « post F/Gness ». Therefore, I’munsure why I understand the first sentence of the text as « you can arrive at Q from F/G, or from L. ». Fromm y LOU, I’d say it’s only from L. Cause if F/G is there at EOB, it means we’re at L. If not, we’re at Not L so we go to A via H etc. Maybe I’m simply not reading between the lines or psyching myself out a bit. To be continued...
Well spotted. Thank you very much. I had corrected MADA #20 by replacing the R by an S. BUT I had not seen the T into V thing. I just corrected it, but I'm not sure if I understand properly what JH says. Does this mean change the T to V in MADA#20 only ? Or also on #19 and #21 ? That's what I've done but I find that, by doing so, MADA #21 and #24 look like each other. I think we need to replace the T by a V only for MADA#19 and #20, agree @Sprout ?
Well, this day off has produced interesting things. New inputs. I am beginning to see the FCC1 flow slightly but decisively different than I was doing the days before. I am about to produce a post that will synthetize the my current LOU of the FCC1. There is something different in my mind now that comes from a detail I've noticed along the study I did las days. Don't know yet how much time it will take me to produce the post in question, nor if it is based on a true Aha, but in any case I can feel I see this chart different now. Like if a subtle thing has changed almost everything in my comprehension. See you later in the day
So here it is. I’ve seen, to begin with the beginning, that along the same single bar, we can pass through a serie of different states, status, nodes that do not pertains to the column relative to the bar number we were at the beginning of the bar (its O). For instance, what I understand, is that we could exit when non-Dom occurs. So we feedback to A and choose B or C. Here we’re in the unfolding bar that made appear non-Dom, still. We’re still in this bar. We’re after midday, so we choose B cause volume is non Dom. To be precise and avoid any confusion, PRV atm states we won’t meet lock in. Let’s say the PRV stated this, at 12sec after O. When I’ll say at 12sec, i twill always mean « 12 seconds after the Open ». We sit at B. We are waiting for F conditions to be met. Next PRV measurement is made, at 1min, and this time let’s say it states color does not change and we’ll meet LI. I DD we’re not at F being as F implies a change in color. At this states, I don’t know for now at which node we are. The only node describing inc move w/ same color is S, and we’ve not made yet the path until that. So let’s let this aside for the moment and compound with what I know that is true. Therefore, instead, let’s say PRV at 1min tells we’ll meet LI AND color changes. This time, we’re at F. So, inside the same bar that, previously made us exit due to non-Dom apperance, we enter so we’re in a bar n having a status of n+1. Strange for now but let’s deep and arrive at where I am atm. Cause I think now it’s the way the FCC1 works. So we enter long on F. Next PRV measurement, at 2min, tells the same as prior one. We’re still at F, we hold. Next measurement, 3min, tells we won’t meet lock in so we’re sent to H, pass through it, we choose J/K (I still have to DD atm but I’d say we choose J in this case), take X and feedback to A. We choose B. Up to now, we’ve made A>>B>>F>>H>>J>>X>>A>>B. Next measurement is made at 4min ; this time PRV tells again we’ll meet lock in and color is opposite to prior. We’re at F. We « re-enter ». 30sec before EOB, volume reaches LI and exceeds it. We made LI, we’re at L. We wait = hold (here) until EOB, and go to Q at open of next bar. Globally, we’ve made (A>>B)>>F>>(H>>J>>X>>A>>B)>>F>>L>>Q. ALONG THE SAME BAR. Condensed, we’ve made (B)>>F>>(B)>>F>>L Into parenthesis would be the path along the bar that correspond to « in the market » ; no parenthesis’s path is sideline. What I think now that is true is that all the matter is to understand that, in fact, many times, the names of the column do not refer to a single bar. They all correspond to the consecutive different states that a single bar can be into. Rephrased : a single bar can pass through different states/nodes that are present in different columns. For example, nodes J, K, N and Z can happen on ANY bar. Also, a single bar could pass through nodes that are in n column (from A to B), then in n+1 column (From A to B to F), then in n+2 column (From A to B to F to H), then in any value of n column (from A to B to F to H to J). What I think now, is that in fact, the different measurements of PRV along the bar alude to the different legs or parts of legs of a given bar = to the different bars that constitute a bar. I don’t see anything atm, that could fit more with the idea that « cycles are the core, the intrabar moves ». The goal would be then with cycle 1 for instance, to capture any tick pertaining to any move being in the same direction of the dom move of the trading fractal. Now the question would be, until which point of path’s littleness can we go ? Rephrased, that would be : what is the most little path a bar can do ? -> a more little bar. And what a more little bar could do as most little path ? -> the most little variation of price. And what is the most little variation of price whatever the TF we choose ? a tick. So it’s a tick matter. It would be congruent with the nature of N test. I have handdrawn a doc than you’ll find attached that could illustrate what I have said. The exposed path of this doc does not follow the path exposed in the text you just read. If I had known what node to choose when at B, PRV says at any moment of its measurement that we’ll have a Dom bar with same color, I could have sync my text with the drawing. I will now pursue my study on the FCC1 at the light of : - Possible paths encountered in JH’s xSc thread’s posts - Possible paths exposed in last Sprout’s post - Impossible paths exposed in both sources - The cycle 1 for kids found in ExSc thread - The 3x5 cards AND - My recent DD NB : the DD exposed in this post is maybe not completely true. Neverthelss is it completely false ? I am sure it isn’t. I know there is trueness in what I DDd.