I was going to put this in a journal, but I would like input. I think traders on ET are making things toooo hard. S/R is a crap shoot. Why? Because there are a million options. Pivots Bottoms Double Bottoms Triple Bottoms 20sma 21ema 89ema 200sma 300ema That's off the top of my head. If you put all the possible S/R on your chart, you won't be able to see price.:eek: Indicators? Okay, what settings? Which ones? Good luck with that. Backtest to see what works? Curve fit is what you will eventually do. So I would like to try a real time experiment. Let's make some calls. No details required. No settings. No timeframes. Just make your call, and tell the indicator used. You can use any instrument. I will go first, ES is my instument, volatility is my indicator. My bias is neutral on this market. I will go short at 1382.75, long at 1406.25. Stops at signal in opposite direction. opinions, comments, snide remarks welcome AD