Majority of UK covid hospitalizations are fully vaxxed

LacesOut · Jul 20, 2021

Hey man. The data is the data.
CFR for fully vaxxed is 800% higher than unvaxxed when it comes to the Delta variant.
Immune escape in full effect.
Until some Sir comes out and flips the numbers, let me know.

Wallet · Jul 20, 2021

I think everyone is starting to realize the reality of the vaccines, which is far from the hoopla they were first paraded.

Covid vaccines, for most people, keep you from getting really sick if you catch the virus.

They do not keep you from catching the virus, they no not keep you from spreading the virus.

97% of folks that get covid, recover just like the flu, cold, etc. regardless of vaccination status.

If you have co-morbidities, over 65, bad health, you’re at the highest risk. Get vaccinated.

Covid passes - A crock of shit as we’re seeing break through cases every where, your vaccine is not stopping you from catching and spreading it. Only thing that should carry any weight atm would be a recent last 24-48 hrs negative test - regardless if you’re full vaxxed or not.

piezoe · Jul 20, 2021

gwb-trading said:
Vaccinated people are less likely to die from the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 compared to unvaccinated people; viral claim misinterpreted PHE report
https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...laim-misinterpreted-phe-report-we-love-trump/

Inaccurate: Of the 257 deaths caused by the Delta variant in the U.K., only 46% had received both doses of the COVID-19 vaccine. Most of the people who died from the Delta variant hadn’t been vaccinated (36%) or had received only one dose of vaccine, which doesn’t offer full protection (18%).
Misleading: COVID-19 deaths occur mainly in people aged 50 or older, who have a higher vaccine coverage (80%) than the rest of the population. Since vaccines don’t offer perfect protection, a few deaths still occur in the vaccinated population, but those who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 have a lower chance of death than those unvaccinated in the same age group.

FULL CLAIM: “You are more likely to die from the Delta variant if you have been vaccinated”; “Delta variant kills more vaccinated than unvaccinated”

REVIEW

Different variants of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19, have emerged since the beginning of the pandemic in 2020. Each variant has specific mutations that make it genetically distinct from other variants and from the precursor (wild-type) virus. Some of these variants may be more contagious[1], cause a disease with more severe illness[2], or reduce the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines[3].

One of these variants, first detected in India in December 2020, is the Delta variant or B.1.617.2. The Delta variant has certain mutations that could increase its infectivity and make it more contagious than other variants. The Delta variant is already prevalent in several countries, including the U.K., where it has caused more than 97% of the new COVID-19 cases as of July 2021.

On 10 July 2021, Sky News Australia broadcasted a news segment discussing deaths caused by the Delta variant in the U.K. In that segment, Sky News reported that a total of 257 people had died from the Delta variant. Of these, 92 hadn’t been vaccinated, 47 had received one dose of vaccine, and 118 had received two doses. It also indicated that 231 of the deceased were 50 years or older and 26 deaths occurred in those under 50 years old.

On the same day, a website that appears to be associated with an organization located in the Bahamas, called We Love Trump, shared the video, claiming that it showed vaccinated people were more likely to die from the Delta variant than unvaccinated people. The claim implied that the COVID-19 vaccines weren’t effective against the Delta variant or they might even increase the risk of death. This claim went viral on social media platforms, including Facebook and Instagram (see examples here, here or here).

This review discusses the current figures on deaths caused by the Delta variant in the U.K., and how the vaccination campaign has prevented deaths due to the disease.

The COVID-19 vaccines offer a high level of protection against the Delta variant, but aren’t 100% effective
Clinical trials in the U.K, Israel, and Canada have shown that the COVID-19 vaccines offer high levels of protection against the Delta variant for fully vaccinated people. Data from the U.K. PHE showed an effectiveness in reducing hospitalizations of 96% for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and 92% for the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine.

However, a single dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech or the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccines is less protective against the Delta variant, as noted in a report published by Public Health England (PHE): “After a single dose there was an 14% absolute reduction in vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease with Delta compared to Alpha, and a smaller 10% reduction in effectiveness after two doses”. This represents an efficacy of 35% in the reduction of symptomatic cases due to the Delta variant after receiving the first vaccine dose.

Some of the COVID-19 vaccines, including the Pfizer-BioNTech and the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccines, require two doses to achieve full protection against the disease. For this reason, persons who have not received the second dose of the vaccine are not considered fully vaccinated.

According to data from the U.K., of the 257 deaths caused by the Delta variant, 92 people hadn’t been vaccinated (36%), 47 had received one dose of vaccine (18%) and 118 had received two doses (46%). Therefore, the majority of deaths (54%) were among persons who hadn’t acquired the full protection that is only provided two weeks after completing both doses of the vaccine.

As shown in Figure 1, while less than 20% of people aged 50 and above remained either unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated, they accounted for 54% of the deaths caused by the Delta variant. On the other hand, while 80% of people aged 50 and above were fully vaccinated, they only accounted for 46% of the deaths.

This demonstrates that in people aged 50 and above, unvaccinated people or people who aren’t fully vaccinated are more likely to die from the Delta variant compared to fully vaccinated people of the same age group, as seen in Figure 1.

Figure 1. The proportion of infections and deaths resulting from Delta variant infection occurring in people aged 50 and above, classified based on vaccination status (blue: fully vaccinated; red: unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated). Data obtained from Public Health England.

It’s important to keep in mind that no vaccine is 100% effective and the COVID-19 vaccines are no exception. This means that there will still be a small proportion of vaccinated people who develop the disease and among them, some will die.

As the proportion of vaccinated persons in the population increases, so does the proportion of cases in the vaccinated population, as well as the proportion of deaths in vaccinated persons. In a 100% vaccinated population, all deaths would occur in vaccinated persons. However, vaccination would reduce the proportion of deaths—a population that isn’t fully vaccinated would see more deaths compared to a fully vaccinated population.

Muge Cevik, clinical lecturer in infectious diseases and medical virology at the University of St. Andrews, explained the same concept in a Reuters fact-check dealing with a similar claim: “When most people are vaccinated, most infections and deaths are expected to be among those vaccinated”.

Furthermore, the vaccines don’t increase the risk of dying from the Delta variant, but actually reduce COVID-19 deaths. According to estimates from Public Health England, the vaccination campaign in the U.K. prevented between 7.5 and 8.9 million cases of COVID-19 and between 29,000 and 31,800 deaths until 4 July 2021, as well as preventing around 46,300 hospitalizations.

Most of the fatalities caused by the Delta variant in the U.K. were among the population aged 50 or older, which has been vaccinated in higher proportion than the rest of the population
The source of the information on Delta variant deaths provided in the video is a briefing published by PHE on 9 July 2021. According to the briefing, the U.K. detected 123,620 cases of COVID-19 caused by the Delta variant between 1 February and 21 June 2021.Among them, 111,008 were in people under 50 years old (around 90% of all cases were in this age group) and 12,404 were in people aged 50 or older (around 10% of all cases).

As indicated in the video, 26 deaths occurred in people under 50 years old, while 231 deaths occurred in people aged 50 and above. These figures translate to a mortality rate of 0.02% in the population under 50 years old, and 1.86% in the population aged 50 or older. This shows that the Delta variant has a much higher fatality rate in the population aged 50 or older. This is in line with the evidence showing that older people are more likely to die from COVID-19.

Regarding the vaccination status of the infected persons, also indicated in the PHE briefing, of the 111,008 infections in persons under 50 years old, 70,664 (63%) hadn’t received the vaccine, while 5,600 (5%) had received both doses. The remaining infections (32%) corresponded to persons who had received one dose or whose vaccination status was unknown.

The situation in persons 50 years of age and older is different, since of the 12,404 cases of the Delta variant, 5,234 (42%) had received both doses, 4,651 (37.5%) had received one dose, 1,267 (10%) hadn’t received the vaccine and 1,252 (10%) had an unknown vaccination status.

These data show that the proportion of infected persons who had completed the vaccination schedule was higher in the population aged 50 or older (42%) compared to the proportion of infected persons who had completed the vaccination schedule in the population under 50 years old (5%).

The U.K. initiated its COVID-19 vaccination campaign in December 2020, focusing on different priority groups based on age and the presence of long-term clinical conditions. According to a report on the status of the vaccination campaign, published by PHE on 8 July 2021, almost 80% of the population aged 50 or older has received the second dose of the vaccine, and this figure increases to over 90% for the population aged 65 or older.

On the other hand, the proportion of fully vaccinated persons in the age groups younger than 50 years old is notably lower (see Figure 2). As the risk of dying from COVID-19 correlates with age, the elderly were prioritized for vaccination. In the U.K., 80% of the individuals 50 or older are already fully vaccinated. Therefore, vaccinated people are over-represented among COVID-19 deaths.

Figure 2. Age/Sex pyramid for COVID-19 vaccine uptake by age in England for dose 2, as of 1 July 2021. Source: Weekly national Influenza and COVID-19 surveillance report. Week 27 report (up to week 26 data), 8 July 2021. Public Health England.

Conclusion
The claim that people are more likely to die from the Delta variant if they have been vaccinated is false, as it ignores the fact that deaths from COVID-19 occur mainly in high-risk groups, which have a higher vaccine coverage than the general population. No vaccine offers perfect protection, meaning that some cases and deaths would still occur in the vaccinated population. But COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective at reducing both the risk of hospitalization and the risk of death from COVID-19, and have prevented tens of thousands of deaths in the U.K. alone, demonstrating that vaccination has greatly improved our situation in contrast to a time when no COVID-19 vaccine was available.

REFERENCES

1 – Davies et al. (2021) Estimated transmissibility and impact of SARS-CoV-2 lineage B.1.1.7 in England. Science.

2 – Davies et al. (2021) Increased mortality in community-tested cases of SARS-CoV-2 lineage B.1.1.7. Nature.

3 – Jangra et al. (2021) SARS-CoV-2 spike E484K mutation reduces antibody neutralisation. The Lancet Microbe.

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Really nice article. Thanks.

piezoe · Jul 20, 2021

LacesOut said:
Hey man. The data is the data.
CFR for fully vaxxed is 800% higher than unvaxxed when it comes to the Delta variant.
Immune escape in full effect.
Until some Sir comes out and flips the numbers, let me know.
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Consider the following. I think it may help you wrap your head around the statistics. At first as the population in a country begins to get vaccinated the probability of the unvacinnated contracting Covid is essentially unchanged where as the probability of a vaccinated person contracting Covid plummets. Eventually, if enough people get vaccinated, the probability of the unvaccinated contracting Covid also begins to drop. Finally, when nearly all adults are vaccinated, because vaccination does not impart 100% immunity, the probability of an unvaccinated person contracting Covid may approach that of a vaccinated person because there are a huge number vaccinated relative to the tiny number of unvaccinated. At the limit, if 100% of all adults are vaccinated and zero adults remain unvaccinated, the probability of a vaccinated adult contracting Covid is infinitely larger than the probability of an unvaccinated adult contracting Covid. Obviously, when there is a high proportion of the Covid susceptible population already vaccinated we must take into account the relative size of the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations to avoid drawing absurd conclusions. Don't be a free rider. Get vaccinated!

LacesOut · Jul 20, 2021

piezoe said:
Consider the following. I think it may help you wrap your head around the statistics. At first as the population in a country begins to get vaccinated the probability of the unvacinnated contracting Covid is essentially unchanged where as the probability of a vaccinated person contracting Covid plummets. Eventually, if enough people get vaccinated, the probability of the unvaccinated contracting Covid also begins to drop. Finally, when nearly all adults are vaccinated, because vaccination does not impart 100% immunity, the probability of an unvaccinated person contracting Covid may approach that of a vaccinated person because there are a huge number vaccinated relative to the tiny number of unvaccinated. At the limit, if 100% of all adults are vaccinated and zero adults remain unvaccinated, the probability of a vaccinated adult contracting Covid is infinitely larger than the probability of an unvaccinated adult contracting Covid. Obviously, when there is a high proportion of the Covid susceptible population already vaccinated we must take into account the relative size of the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations to avoid drawing absurd conclusions. Don't be a free rider. Get vaccinated!
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Buy1Sell2 · Jul 20, 2021

piezoe said:
Consider the following. I think it may help you wrap your head around the statistics. At first as the population in a country begins to get vaccinated the probability of the unvacinnated contracting Covid is essentially unchanged where as the probability of a vaccinated person contracting Covid plummets. Eventually, if enough people get vaccinated, the probability of the unvaccinated contracting Covid also begins to drop. Finally, when nearly all adults are vaccinated, because vaccination does not impart 100% immunity, the probability of an unvaccinated person contracting Covid may approach that of a vaccinated person because there are a huge number vaccinated relative to the tiny number of unvaccinated. At the limit, if 100% of all adults are vaccinated and zero adults remain unvaccinated, the probability of a vaccinated adult contracting Covid is infinitely larger than the probability of an unvaccinated adult contracting Covid. Obviously, when there is a high proportion of the Covid susceptible population already vaccinated we must take into account the relative size of the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations to avoid drawing absurd conclusions. Don't be a free rider. Get vaccinated!
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What an absolute idiot.

Overnight · Jul 20, 2021

piezoe said:
...At the limit, if 100% of all adults are vaccinated and zero adults remain unvaccinated, the probability of a vaccinated adult contracting Covid is infinitely larger than the probability of an unvaccinated adult contracting Covid. ...
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Dude, I need what you are smoking. Your logic is so beyond the pale, I cannot even THINK of a video to analogize your statement with.

Piezoe wins the "ET-User-Who-Screwed-Overnights-Brain-To-The-Point-That-Logic-Took-a-Leap-of-Faith, -And failed Award."

Awarded never, and will be awarded never again. Seriously, I cannot believe you typed that.

Cuddles · Jul 21, 2021

piezoe said:
Consider the following. I think it may help you wrap your head around the statistics. At first as the population in a country begins to get vaccinated the probability of the unvacinnated contracting Covid is essentially unchanged where as the probability of a vaccinated person contracting Covid plummets. Eventually, if enough people get vaccinated, the probability of the unvaccinated contracting Covid also begins to drop. Finally, when nearly all adults are vaccinated, because vaccination does not impart 100% immunity, the probability of an unvaccinated person contracting Covid may approach that of a vaccinated person because there are a huge number vaccinated relative to the tiny number of unvaccinated. At the limit, if 100% of all adults are vaccinated and zero adults remain unvaccinated, the probability of a vaccinated adult contracting Covid is infinitely larger than the probability of an unvaccinated adult contracting Covid. Obviously, when there is a high proportion of the Covid susceptible population already vaccinated we must take into account the relative size of the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations to avoid drawing absurd conclusions. Don't be a free rider. Get vaccinated!
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I made the case in post 9. You won't convince the untrained

UsualName · Jul 21, 2021

Wallet said:
I think everyone is starting to realize the reality of the vaccines, which is far from the hoopla they were first paraded.

Covid vaccines, for most people, keep you from getting really sick if you catch the virus.

They do not keep you from catching the virus, they no not keep you from spreading the virus.

97% of folks that get covid, recover just like the flu, cold, etc. regardless of vaccination status.

If you have co-morbidities, over 65, bad health, you’re at the highest risk. Get vaccinated.

Covid passes - A crock of shit as we’re seeing break through cases every where, your vaccine is not stopping you from catching and spreading it. Only thing that should carry any weight atm would be a recent last 24-48 hrs negative test - regardless if you’re full vaxxed or not.
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Vaccinations drastically reduce severity of illness, death and spread. It’s not a mystery why Covid is spreading at high rates in states with low vaccination rates.

gwb-trading · Jul 21, 2021

Wallet said:
I think everyone is starting to realize the reality of the vaccines, which is far from the hoopla they were first paraded.

Covid vaccines, for most people, keep you from getting really sick if you catch the virus.

They do not keep you from catching the virus, they no not keep you from spreading the virus.

97% of folks that get covid, recover just like the flu, cold, etc. regardless of vaccination status.

If you have co-morbidities, over 65, bad health, you’re at the highest risk. Get vaccinated.

Covid passes - A crock of shit as we’re seeing break through cases every where, your vaccine is not stopping you from catching and spreading it. Only thing that should carry any weight atm would be a recent last 24-48 hrs negative test - regardless if you’re full vaxxed or not.
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Let's deal with the reality. COVID vaccines not only reduce the severity of COVID cases but greatly decrease the probability of a vaccinated individual from spreading COVID -- this can all be seen in multiple studies outlining the reduction in viral load from vaccinated , infected people coupled with studies comparing the spread of COVID within vaccinated versus unvaccinated groups.

COVID is not just like the flu. 2% of COVID cases die, 12% are hospitalized, and close to 40% have Long COVID symptoms that last over 6 months. This is not like the flu at all.