And where do your numbers come from.... that is the other thing -- these numbers are nowhere to be found in the linked U.K. report. Table 5 and others do not support your assertions. First let's try some basic math --- 257 deaths - 118 fully vaccinated deaths = 139 deaths (not 92) Basically you are just inventing numbers.
I believe I said "very close to 0%" of double vaccinated in the U.S. end up dying from Covid. This is based on U.S. data and is relative to the total number of doubly vaccinated whether they eventually became ill with Covid or not. To see the effectiveness of the vaccines you only need to compare the relative number of Covid cases being reported among the doubly vaccinated versus those who are not vaccinated** and observe the precipitous drop in new cases following widespread vaccination. The vaccines used in the UK were a different mix of types than used in the U.S. But still, the UK vaccines are very effective. In the UK a somewhat greater use of conventional, deactivated virus vaccines were used as opposed to the U.S., where use of the newer RNA type dominated. As far as I know, both in the U.S. and in the U.K., vaccination results are still being closely tracked. We can therefore expect accuracy in the current data. The British Health Service reports ~ as of the end of June -- I got this data from the WSJ, not the UK Health service -- 50 deaths from Delta Covid among those receiving two doses of vaccine. The total number of Covid, Delta Cases reported was 92,000. The death rate for Delta among two dose recipients, relative to total Delta cases, is therefore 0.0504% I consider this also quite close to zero, you may not. On the other hand you may want to compare this with U.S. Delta data which I invite you to explore on your own. I think, though, you will find the comparable death rate for Delta Covid among twice vaccinated in the U.S. to be even lower, which, if this proves to be the case, might reflect a slightly better result from the newer vaccine technology -- as a scientist, I have learned the danger of jumping to conclusions on the basis of too little information, so lets hold off final judgement on the relative effectiveness of these two types of vaccines for the time being. I don't want to be pedantic, and I'll be the first to admit that I am a prisoner of my education, but it really bothers me to read nonsense related to vaccines, particularly among traders here at ET. I just couldn't help myself. I had to speak up. N.B. -- I found this seemingly reasonable statement quoted in the WSJ: If a vaccine reduces an 80-year-old’s risk of death from Covid-19 by 95%, for instance, that 80-year-old’s risk of death might still be greater than the risk faced by an unvaccinated 20-year-old. Some chronic illnesses such as diabetes, hypertension and lung disease are also associated with a higher risk of severe illness and death. The WSJ article didn't break the data down by age or pre-existing health conditions, so it's possible, quite likely in fact, that the small death rate of doubly vaccinated individuals is nearly all due complications caused by pre-existing health conditions. Wouldn't it be nice to know the number with pre-existing health conditions whose lives have been saved by vaccination. I would imagine that it is substantial. If you're not vaccinated, please help us all by getting vaccinated today! reference: https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-v...es-why-scientists-arent-surprised-11625227200 _______________ **The data reflects a lower incidence of Covid among the residual non-vaccinated because of the high number of doubly vaccinated. As the fraction of the total population that is doubly vaccinated approaches 100% the incidence of Covid among the non-vaccinated will rapidly approach zero. A low incidence of Covid among the non-vaccinated in a population that has a high vaccination rate must not be taken as indicating Covid vaccines' ineffectiveness, nor as an indication that the virus is not as infectious as people think.
These right wingers are going to grab onto anything and try to spin it back to something they read on Facebook. It’s just how they are. What I will say is that the UK has just released this information related to hospitalizations and deaths of vaccinated people and New Jersey released some info along the same lines but what they are not doing is releasing the corresponding data such as age, underlying medical condition, gender that would help put this stuff into better context. We need that data to draw reasonable conclusions.
CDC? CDC is the source of U.S. Data. I was quoting UK Health system data as printed in WSJ through the end of June..
Fact check: Do COVID vaccines protect against the delta variant? In the United Kingdom, people have died of the delta variant despite being vaccinated. Are existing COVID-19 vaccines still effective? A look at the facts shows: Yes, complete vaccinations still protect against delta. https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-do-covid-vaccines-protect-against-the-delta-variant/a-58263950
Vaccinated people are less likely to die from the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 compared to unvaccinated people; viral claim misinterpreted PHE report https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...laim-misinterpreted-phe-report-we-love-trump/ Inaccurate: Of the 257 deaths caused by the Delta variant in the U.K., only 46% had received both doses of the COVID-19 vaccine. Most of the people who died from the Delta variant hadn’t been vaccinated (36%) or had received only one dose of vaccine, which doesn’t offer full protection (18%). Misleading: COVID-19 deaths occur mainly in people aged 50 or older, who have a higher vaccine coverage (80%) than the rest of the population. Since vaccines don’t offer perfect protection, a few deaths still occur in the vaccinated population, but those who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 have a lower chance of death than those unvaccinated in the same age group. FULL CLAIM: “You are more likely to die from the Delta variant if you have been vaccinated”; “Delta variant kills more vaccinated than unvaccinated” REVIEW Different variants of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19, have emerged since the beginning of the pandemic in 2020. Each variant has specific mutations that make it genetically distinct from other variants and from the precursor (wild-type) virus. Some of these variants may be more contagious[1], cause a disease with more severe illness[2], or reduce the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines[3]. One of these variants, first detected in India in December 2020, is the Delta variant or B.1.617.2. The Delta variant has certain mutations that could increase its infectivity and make it more contagious than other variants. The Delta variant is already prevalent in several countries, including the U.K., where it has caused more than 97% of the new COVID-19 cases as of July 2021. On 10 July 2021, Sky News Australia broadcasted a news segment discussing deaths caused by the Delta variant in the U.K. In that segment, Sky News reported that a total of 257 people had died from the Delta variant. Of these, 92 hadn’t been vaccinated, 47 had received one dose of vaccine, and 118 had received two doses. It also indicated that 231 of the deceased were 50 years or older and 26 deaths occurred in those under 50 years old. On the same day, a website that appears to be associated with an organization located in the Bahamas, called We Love Trump, shared the video, claiming that it showed vaccinated people were more likely to die from the Delta variant than unvaccinated people. The claim implied that the COVID-19 vaccines weren’t effective against the Delta variant or they might even increase the risk of death. This claim went viral on social media platforms, including Facebook and Instagram (see examples here, here or here). This review discusses the current figures on deaths caused by the Delta variant in the U.K., and how the vaccination campaign has prevented deaths due to the disease. The COVID-19 vaccines offer a high level of protection against the Delta variant, but aren’t 100% effective Clinical trials in the U.K, Israel, and Canada have shown that the COVID-19 vaccines offer high levels of protection against the Delta variant for fully vaccinated people. Data from the U.K. PHE showed an effectiveness in reducing hospitalizations of 96% for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and 92% for the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine. However, a single dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech or the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccines is less protective against the Delta variant, as noted in a report published by Public Health England (PHE): “After a single dose there was an 14% absolute reduction in vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease with Delta compared to Alpha, and a smaller 10% reduction in effectiveness after two doses”. This represents an efficacy of 35% in the reduction of symptomatic cases due to the Delta variant after receiving the first vaccine dose. Some of the COVID-19 vaccines, including the Pfizer-BioNTech and the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccines, require two doses to achieve full protection against the disease. For this reason, persons who have not received the second dose of the vaccine are not considered fully vaccinated. According to data from the U.K., of the 257 deaths caused by the Delta variant, 92 people hadn’t been vaccinated (36%), 47 had received one dose of vaccine (18%) and 118 had received two doses (46%). Therefore, the majority of deaths (54%) were among persons who hadn’t acquired the full protection that is only provided two weeks after completing both doses of the vaccine. As shown in Figure 1, while less than 20% of people aged 50 and above remained either unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated, they accounted for 54% of the deaths caused by the Delta variant. On the other hand, while 80% of people aged 50 and above were fully vaccinated, they only accounted for 46% of the deaths. This demonstrates that in people aged 50 and above, unvaccinated people or people who aren’t fully vaccinated are more likely to die from the Delta variant compared to fully vaccinated people of the same age group, as seen in Figure 1. Figure 1. The proportion of infections and deaths resulting from Delta variant infection occurring in people aged 50 and above, classified based on vaccination status (blue: fully vaccinated; red: unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated). Data obtained from Public Health England. It’s important to keep in mind that no vaccine is 100% effective and the COVID-19 vaccines are no exception. This means that there will still be a small proportion of vaccinated people who develop the disease and among them, some will die. As the proportion of vaccinated persons in the population increases, so does the proportion of cases in the vaccinated population, as well as the proportion of deaths in vaccinated persons. In a 100% vaccinated population, all deaths would occur in vaccinated persons. However, vaccination would reduce the proportion of deaths—a population that isn’t fully vaccinated would see more deaths compared to a fully vaccinated population. Muge Cevik, clinical lecturer in infectious diseases and medical virology at the University of St. Andrews, explained the same concept in a Reuters fact-check dealing with a similar claim: “When most people are vaccinated, most infections and deaths are expected to be among those vaccinated”. Furthermore, the vaccines don’t increase the risk of dying from the Delta variant, but actually reduce COVID-19 deaths. According to estimates from Public Health England, the vaccination campaign in the U.K. prevented between 7.5 and 8.9 million cases of COVID-19 and between 29,000 and 31,800 deaths until 4 July 2021, as well as preventing around 46,300 hospitalizations. Most of the fatalities caused by the Delta variant in the U.K. were among the population aged 50 or older, which has been vaccinated in higher proportion than the rest of the population The source of the information on Delta variant deaths provided in the video is a briefing published by PHE on 9 July 2021. According to the briefing, the U.K. detected 123,620 cases of COVID-19 caused by the Delta variant between 1 February and 21 June 2021.Among them, 111,008 were in people under 50 years old (around 90% of all cases were in this age group) and 12,404 were in people aged 50 or older (around 10% of all cases). As indicated in the video, 26 deaths occurred in people under 50 years old, while 231 deaths occurred in people aged 50 and above. These figures translate to a mortality rate of 0.02% in the population under 50 years old, and 1.86% in the population aged 50 or older. This shows that the Delta variant has a much higher fatality rate in the population aged 50 or older. This is in line with the evidence showing that older people are more likely to die from COVID-19. Regarding the vaccination status of the infected persons, also indicated in the PHE briefing, of the 111,008 infections in persons under 50 years old, 70,664 (63%) hadn’t received the vaccine, while 5,600 (5%) had received both doses. The remaining infections (32%) corresponded to persons who had received one dose or whose vaccination status was unknown. The situation in persons 50 years of age and older is different, since of the 12,404 cases of the Delta variant, 5,234 (42%) had received both doses, 4,651 (37.5%) had received one dose, 1,267 (10%) hadn’t received the vaccine and 1,252 (10%) had an unknown vaccination status. These data show that the proportion of infected persons who had completed the vaccination schedule was higher in the population aged 50 or older (42%) compared to the proportion of infected persons who had completed the vaccination schedule in the population under 50 years old (5%). The U.K. initiated its COVID-19 vaccination campaign in December 2020, focusing on different priority groups based on age and the presence of long-term clinical conditions. According to a report on the status of the vaccination campaign, published by PHE on 8 July 2021, almost 80% of the population aged 50 or older has received the second dose of the vaccine, and this figure increases to over 90% for the population aged 65 or older. On the other hand, the proportion of fully vaccinated persons in the age groups younger than 50 years old is notably lower (see Figure 2). As the risk of dying from COVID-19 correlates with age, the elderly were prioritized for vaccination. In the U.K., 80% of the individuals 50 or older are already fully vaccinated. Therefore, vaccinated people are over-represented among COVID-19 deaths. Figure 2. Age/Sex pyramid for COVID-19 vaccine uptake by age in England for dose 2, as of 1 July 2021. Source: Weekly national Influenza and COVID-19 surveillance report. Week 27 report (up to week 26 data), 8 July 2021. Public Health England. Conclusion The claim that people are more likely to die from the Delta variant if they have been vaccinated is false, as it ignores the fact that deaths from COVID-19 occur mainly in high-risk groups, which have a higher vaccine coverage than the general population. No vaccine offers perfect protection, meaning that some cases and deaths would still occur in the vaccinated population. But COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective at reducing both the risk of hospitalization and the risk of death from COVID-19, and have prevented tens of thousands of deaths in the U.K. alone, demonstrating that vaccination has greatly improved our situation in contrast to a time when no COVID-19 vaccine was available. REFERENCES 1 – Davies et al. (2021) Estimated transmissibility and impact of SARS-CoV-2 lineage B.1.1.7 in England. Science. 2 – Davies et al. (2021) Increased mortality in community-tested cases of SARS-CoV-2 lineage B.1.1.7. Nature. 3 – Jangra et al. (2021) SARS-CoV-2 spike E484K mutation reduces antibody neutralisation. The Lancet Microbe.
based on the information you provided, it is neither fully vaccinated nor unvaccinated that has the greatest protection it’s actually <21 days post first dose because there is only 1 indicated. But of course this isn’t true but without any proper context or data for analysis it may appear to be.