I think the people now are making it even worse with the rioting and damage. The process is now working to move forward quickly with all the media attention and pressure to address these issues. There is no need to march in the streets and damage shit like the 1960s. The issue of Duante being arrested is not at issue here. We can explore the reasons he was initially stopped and fix that problem but once he was stopped there was valid reason to arrest him and he resisted. But DEATH was not the penalty or some experienced cop magically forgets where their gun or taser is? You want cops to stop killing minorities, I get it. But at least now the punishments are coming in and the coverups are going away, so protest down the street and march as you have the right to, but all the violence starts looking as bad as January 6th. The real issue is not whether this cop gets punished..... what is the police department and mayor going to do to better train cops. Seriously, I would never become a cop because you are going to arm me and throw me in a dangerous situation after 6-8 weeks of bullshit training and expect me to know what to do when veterans still fuck up all the time?
Minnesota business owner hit twice in one year by looters: ‘Tough' to close again Store looted for second time after closing for seven months following George Floyd riots https://www.foxnews.com/us/minnesota-business-looted-again-riots-police-shooting
The home of the ex-police officer who killed Daunte Wright is now protected by concrete barriers and a large fence https://www.insider.com/kimberly-potter-home-protected-concrete-barriers-fencing-2021-4 Photos showed the home of ex-police officer Kimberly Potter protected with concrete barriers and fencing. Potter shot and killed 20-year-old Daunte Wright during a traffic stop in Minnesota Sunday. On Tuesday, Potter and the city's police chief resigned from the Brooklyn Center Police Department. Concrete barriers and large fencing were set up Tuesday outside the home of Kimberly Potter, the former police officer that shot and killed Daunte Wright. Photos posted by New York Times reporter Nicholas Bogel-Burroughs show workers using construction equipment to unload large concrete barriers from the bed of a semi-truck in front of Potter's home in the Minneapolis suburb of Champlin. Another photo showed large, black fencing also being installed behind the concrete barriers. The New York Times confirmed that barriers were installed around Potter's home. Another photo showed a group of at least four police officers standing in the driveway of the home, behind the fencing. Representatives for the city of Champlin and its police department did not immediately respond to Insider's request for more information Wednesday. Potter shot and killed 20-year-old Wright during a traffic stop in Brooklyn Center, a suburb of Minneapolis, Sunday. Police say Potter was stopped for having an expired vehicle registration. Police said Potter accidentally shot and killed Wright when she intended to fire her taser at him while he attempted to flee. Wright was pronounced dead at the scene. Potter and Tim Gannon, the city's police chief, resigned Tuesday. Brooklyn Center Mayor Mike Elliott had previously called for Potter's firing. In resigning from the force Tuesday after 26 years, Potter said in a statement she "loved every minute of being a police officer." According to local reports, Potter is expected to be charged in Wright's death sometime Wednesday. Wright's killing has re-ignited protests in Minnesota over police brutality less than a year after the city, and the nation, erupted in protest when George Floyd was killed by police in Minneapolis. Derek Chauvin, the officer who knelt on Floyd's neck for more than eight minutes before he died, is currently on trial for his murder.
The jurors in the George Floyd are thinking to themselves this will be their house if they don't do what the racists want them to do
Devil's Advocate: Where would police reform and police convictions be today but for the accumulation of past riots? Where would we be had everyone, always, in the past, remained silent? Where would we be had there only been, in the past/present, peaceful protest? (No riots at all.) The truth is, we don't know. We don't know if riots make things worse; or make things happen. Again, we can't go back in time, do it differently, and observe the results. But I do know this: It's easier to fix the police, and the minds of jurors; than it is to fix riots, and the minds of rioters. Dear public, Take your pick.
Where would it be today but then why the rioting today? MINN did not need any riots, the officer was being charged and the Chief of Police resigned. This was not in response to the riots., it was being done because of all the flashlights on the issue. The riots going on yesterday in MINN were just opportunistic people looking to cause damage or loot. Protest do not equal riots and you do not need to riot to protest.
Devil's Advocate here again: Rephrase this question please. The riots are obviously not protesting/rioting/whatever-you-want-to-label-them-ing about no charges being filed. They are rioting because the initial incident happened; and keeps happening. Her being charged likely reduced the number of rioters; and the size of the riot. Assuming that's true: (I haven't went back to study the timeline of events.) Again, the rioters are mad because the incident happened (past tense). Nothing done today, or tomorrow, can change that. The primary goal is for the incidents to stop. A secondary goal is for justice when they still happen. Yeah. Sounds like a riot. I guess we've been discussing ... riots. EDIT: Yeah ... went to double-check ... my post was about riots, not protests. View attachment 256901
Exactly.... protests... we don't need any more riots which basically turn off the people who would join the cause.
Just to be clear, even as Devil's advocate, I never contended that. I said, We can't know the effect past riots have had on police, race, and judicial relations, because, We can't go back in time, undo the past, and find out. But Riots Are Destructive So is war. But we are willing to go to war, when it is in our best interests. But Riots Have Innocent Victims and Kill People So does war. But that won't stop us ... when it is in our best interests. IOW, I don't know. I can't say whether it is secularly wrong for a nation to cause destruction and mayhem on another nation, in the name of war; in the name of protecting an interests it feels that strongly about. None of us know. Nations are just a larger group of people than rioters. The Independence War 'started' with the Boston Tea Party ... a riot. I believe you've even said that yourself before. Was The Independence War bad? Was the Tea Party Bad? Would there even be a USA if you were alive then, and convinced everyone to not do the Tea Party riot? And would things have worked out for the better? We can't know. We are so quick to judge. Again, we don't know whether riots are helping, or hurting. We can't know. Because we can't say, "Let's undo time, and see how things would have ended up, without all those riots."
To address this post anyway, even though, as I immediately above stated, I never contended this. Of course riots turn some people off. They also energize others. And I suggest the people most angry at the protestors rioters would NOT otherwise "join the cause." You don't need 100% of the people on board for riots to have an effect, as we've seen recently, and throughout history. Likewise, you don't need 100% of citizens to agree, in order for a nation to go to war. The primary goal of rioters is to effect change. A lesser goal, but still desirable, is to gain followers. No organization or gang or group has a membership consisting of 100% of the nation's citizens. All you need are enough. The rioters don't care that everyone doesn't like them. None of them expect such a thing. In fact, they want you to be angry; because they are angry. And angry people do something about their anger.