AND THE PEOPLE WHO COMPLAINED ABOUT THE UPTICK RULE AND MINIMUM 25,000 PDT RULE MADOFF IS THE MADE THOSE RULES HIMSELF AND RUBBER STAMPED IT. THE CORRUPT WAYS OF FRONTRUNNING, TRADING AGAINST CLIENTS PROBABLY BANKRUPTED MORE LEGITIMATE AND HONES MARKET MAKERS OR TRADERS. MADOFF INVESTMENTS AND MARKETM AKER FOR ''PIONEERS' FOUNDERS OF TRADING AGAINST CLIENTS. THIS NEWS IS BIGGER THAN I EXPECTED. THOSE LOSSES WILL MEAN LESS CAPITAL IN THE MARKET MARGIN CALLS AND LIQUIDATION OF ASSETS TO MEET MARGIN CALLS NOW THAT INVESTORS LOSS SO MUCH CASH. THE MONEY WAS NEVER THERE AND TOOK THREE YEARS TO COMPLETE TRANSFER THE MONEY OUT. By 2001, Madoff's firm was one of the THREE top market makers in Nasdaq stocks and the THIRD LARGEST FIRM firm matching buyers and sellers of securities on the New York Stock Exchange, according to Baron's http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081213/wall_street_arrest.html WALL STREET NEVER AMAZES ME WITH MY PESSSISM.