Mad Dog Mattis is not a big fan of Putin

AAAintheBeltway · Jan 13, 2017

As for Putin killing political foes, politics is a full contact sport in Russia. Guess what? It is here too.

Just to pick a name at random, the Clintons had an amazing number of coincidences where formerly close colleagues, etc suffered mysterious deaths, deaths that were invariably labeled suicides by authorities who reported to them. Wags even coined a name for the phenomenon, Arkancides. The most notorious was former Hillary law partner and White House aide Vince Foster, who supposedly blew his brains out in a remote park in Virginia that longtime residents of the area would have trouble finding. http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/clinton-death-list-33-most-intriguing-cases/

Scataphagos · Jan 13, 2017

I'm a fan of Mattis... at least from what I've heard about his reputation.

When it comes to "military function", you really don't want a pussy at the top of the chain of command. (Includes the POTUS... and unfortunately... in Odumbo's case.)

Not saying America should be a bully, and "throw its weight around"... but when push comes to shove, everyone should know it's unwise and risky to "poke the big dog".

jem · Jan 13, 2017

got it.

wildchild said:
Seriously? You are questioning my criticism of Obama. I cheered loudly about Hillary's defeat. I put Hillary's defeat on Obama's lap. I was the guy being told to tone it down on election night and the next morning. I was more happy Hillary lost than Trump won, but I gloated. I even started a thread to pay tribute to Trump. Trump is way better than Hillary or Obama but there are some serious questions about his behavior.

You bring up small government, and I am a small government guy, so that leaves much to be desired with Trump, but it is better than Hillary.
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Frederick Foresight · Jan 13, 2017

achilles28 said:
Let's talk Putin. Yes, Russia is corrupt and so is he.

Tyrant, somewhat. Russia will never be a true democracy. Thug, sorta goes with tyrant. I'll concede half thug, full patriot.

Terrorist? I don't think so.

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http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...partment-house-bombings-was-putin-responsible

wildchild · Jan 13, 2017

AAAintheBeltway said:
As for Putin killing political foes, politics is a full contact sport in Russia. Guess what? It is here too.

Just to pick a name at random, the Clintons had an amazing number of coincidences where formerly close colleagues, etc suffered mysterious deaths, deaths that were invariably labeled suicides by authorities who reported to them. Wags even coined a name for the phenomenon, Arkancides. The most notorious was former Hillary law partner and White House aide Vince Foster, who supposedly blew his brains out in a remote park in Virginia that longtime residents of the area would have trouble finding. http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/clinton-death-list-33-most-intriguing-cases/
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The Trump pompom boys really don't like anyone criticizing Putin, do they? Whats the love affair about?

Second, Do you have a shred of evidence saying the Clintons killed any of these people? Since you don't maybe Trump can get all pissed off by this fake news.

achilles28 · Jan 13, 2017

Frederick Foresight said:
http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...partment-house-bombings-was-putin-responsible
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Ya, I agree. He did that. Russia's 911.

wildchild · Jan 13, 2017

AAAintheBeltway said:
The US "accidentally" shot down an Iranian civilian airliner over the Persian Gulf.

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Iran Air Flight 655 was an Iran Air passenger flight from Tehran to Dubai. On 3 July 1988, the aircraft operating on this route was shot down by the United States Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes under the command of William C. Rogers III. The incident took place in Iranian airspace, over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, and on the flight's usual flight path. The aircraft, an Airbus A300 B2-203, was destroyed by SM-2MR surface-to-air missiles fired from Vincennes. All 290 people on board died.[1] The cruiser Vincennes had entered Iranian territorial waters after one of its helicopters drew warning fire from Iranian speedboats operating within Iranian territorial limits.[2][3]

According to the United States government, the crew incorrectly identified the Iranian Airbus A300 as an attacking F-14A Tomcat fighter, a plane made in the United States and operated at that time by only two forces worldwide, the United States Navy and the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force. While the Iranian F-14s had been supplied by manufacturer Grumman in an air-to-air configuration only in the 1970s,[4][5] the crew of Vincennes had been briefed when entering the region that the Iranian F-14s carried unguided bombs as well as Maverick missiles and unguided rockets.[6] The Vincennes crew made ten attempts to contact the crew of the flight on military and civilian radio frequencies, but received no response.[7] The International Civil Aviation Organization said that the flight crew should have been monitoring the civilian frequency.[8]

According to the Iranian government, Vincennes negligently shot down the civilian aircraft: the airliner was making IFF squawks in Mode III (not Mode II used by Iranian military planes), a signal that identified it as a civilian craft.[9][10] The event generated a great deal of criticism of the United States. Some analysts blamed the captain of Vincennes, who had entered Iran's waters, for reckless and aggressive behavior in a tense and dangerous environment.[7][11]

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I am here saying the truth about Putin and your response is to smear the US. Nice job shithead.

achilles28 · Jan 13, 2017

wildchild said:
Here is a little bit of Putin's handy work. These guys shot down a plane with missiles from Russia, and then fled into Russia after they did it.

In October 2015, the Dutch Safety Board (DSB) concluded that the airliner was downed by a Buk surface-to-air missile launched from pro-Russian separatist-controlled territory in Ukraine.[6][7] In September 2016, the Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) confirmed the missile type which had downed the aircraft and said that the Buk missile system had been transported from Russia on the day of the crash, fired from a field in a rebel controlled area and returned to Russia after the Buk was used to shoot down MH17. The JIT had established the identities of approximately 100 people, witnesses or suspects, who were linked to the transporting of the Buk, but said that their evidence "must stand before a court".[8]

The DSB and JIT findings confirmed earlier claims by American and German intelligence sources and the Ukrainian government as to the missile type and launch area. In 2014, Ukraine and US intelligence had also said that Russia had supplied the Buk missile to pro-Russian insurgents, who had mistakenly shot down the aircraft.[9][10][11][12] Also in 2014, German intelligence sources reported that they believed insurgents had stolen the missile from the Ukrainian military.[13][14][15]
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Thanks for bringing that up. I forgot about Malaysian Flight 17. Had no idea what happened to it until now.

Okay, I would say the water is murky on that. Did Russian rebels in Ukraine steal the missile system from Ukraine Gov, or was it given to them by Putin? If the later, was the shootdown intentional? Likely not. Looks bad they removed the system after the shootdown. If true, probably a case of mistaken identity and Putin trying to cover tracks.

NATO probably shot down that commercial airliner in Syria just recently, btw.

wildchild · Jan 13, 2017

achilles28 said:
Thanks for bringing that up. I forgot about Malaysian Flight 17. Had no idea what happened to it until now.

Okay, I would say the water is murky on that. Did Russian rebels in Ukraine steal the missile system from Ukraine Gov, or was it given to them by Putin? If the later, was the shootdown intentional? Likely not. Looks bad they removed the system after the shootdown. If true, probably a case of mistaken identity and Putin trying to cover tracks.

NATO probably shot down that commercial airliner in Syria just recently, btw.
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Come on achilles, where do you think the missiles came from?

I just don't understand this reluctance to call Putin a bad guy, because he is clearly a bad guy.

rock34748 · Jan 13, 2017

Speculating here that Trump has been gracious to Putin because he's the type of guy (in business anyway) that goes for the kill when he senses weakness. He suspects Putin is that kind of guy as well. With the Obama admin apologizing all over the world for the last 8 years for America's "bullying", I wonder if Trump views Putin's actions as largely ANTI-OBAMA rather than ANTI-USA. Trump probably suspects Putin will gain a degree of respect for the U.S. once Trump is in office. He is just as likely to treat Putin like an enemy if he significantly screws with the U.S. AFTER Trump takes office.
Signed... Anti Hillary voter, not a Trump pompom boy, just giving him a chance.