m22au's journal

Discussion in 'Journals' started by m22au, Aug 25, 2003.

  1. Daal

    Daal

    I believe EBR.B is the preferred in the NYSE
     
    #301     Nov 23, 2012
  2. Daal

    Daal

    A good play here might actually be buying EBR's bonds. With the government owning 51% and the company being submissive to their demands, the company effectively has become a part of the federal government. I'm not sure how much their debt is yield but I suspect the yield has increased a lot after they said their EBITDA would tank as bond investors love to look at that to value bonds

    Truth is these bonds are very close to be like government bonds
     
    #302     Nov 23, 2012
  3. m22au

    m22au

    I agree that the bonds are similar to those of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae - in theory a private company, but in practice a tool of the government. In fact given the 51% government ownership, it is more of a government tool than FRE / FNM (before their conservatorship).

    I don't have a Bloomberg terminal, and because it's a Brazillian company I can't find out as much information about EBR bonds than I can about AMD bonds for example.

    However EBR is on the watchlist as a possible big decliner in the months and years to come.
     
    #303     Nov 23, 2012
  4. Daal

    Daal

    EBR bonds not tradable at IB. Says there is some kind of institutional restriction. ELEBRA is the symbol
    Shame
     
    #304     Nov 23, 2012
  5. m22au

    m22au

    thanks Daal
     
    #305     Nov 23, 2012
  6. Daal

    Daal

    how are you playing EBR?Looking at the daily chart, stock looks oversold as hell. Too risky to short these types of setups for me unless there is a liquidity crisis
     
    #306     Nov 23, 2012
  7. m22au

    m22au

    I agree - I have no position as yet. But given the 1 BRL price target and the operating losses that the company will incur as a result of the government's recent decision, I am looking to short it at a future date.
     
    #307     Nov 23, 2012
  8. Daal

    Daal

    #308     Nov 27, 2012
  9. Daal

    Daal

    EBR has a combination of daily chart oversold("Great new pattern"), positive news and analysts throwing the towel. I hope it reaches $4 so I can dump
     
    #309     Nov 27, 2012
  10. m22au

    m22au

    Thanks for the update Daal regarding possible review of compensation. That's the problem with shorting these types of companies - the government can go in and change the rules at any time.
     
    #310     Nov 27, 2012