Luck

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Commisso, Jan 22, 2002.

  1. dottom

    dottom

    Commisso, with all due respect, if you understand expectancy, then you should also understand elementary probability theory.

    If you define the "micro view" as the result of an individual trade, and the "macro view" as the sum of all trades, then the average probability of each individual trade is the same as the average probability of all trades. The probability of all trades has to be the sum of its parts. This is high school math, guys.

    Now if you want to argue that each individual trade (what you call the "micro view") has a different probability, I will agree. The only thing we can know with statistical sampling is the average probability of each individual trade.

    But to say that each individual trade is 50/50 is to say that the average probability of all trades is 50/50, and that you believe in random walk.
     
    #51     Jan 24, 2002
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  2. Cesko

    Cesko

    This discussion is, of course, interesting and very intellectual making some people feel really good about themselves but for all practical purposes it is useless.
    All you need to know about randomness and how it relates to individual trader is in the book "Fooled by Randomness" by N. N. Taleb (spec.p.69-80)

    After you read it if you realize that it all comes down to money management, risk-control, self control and flexibility you understand what trading is all about.

    I do not mean to approve or disapprove any previous comments, just make the board little more helpful.
     
    #52     Jan 25, 2002
  3. I bought a book called Rich Dad, Poor Dad - Robert Kiyosaki and Sharon Lechter because of the name. It turned out to be really good.
     
    #53     Jul 7, 2022
  4. Great book for learning to work on the mindset. I’d also suggest “The Science of Being Rich” by Wallace D. Wattles. This is one of my favorite books.
     
    #54     Jul 8, 2022
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  5. It is bad book because Robert say not the things you need and earned only at the expense of the book
     
    #55     Jul 8, 2022
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  6. Merevez

    Merevez

    Imo, trading is 97% of our mindset which defines our luck. It is important to have a positive mindset to manifestate the right results.
     
    #56     Jul 8, 2022
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    Good points\ but luck is a gamblers term + another ttrend follower called it a small sample. 60% rule[example above] only applies\ if the past exactly repeated like the future + it seldom does.............................................................................Webster uses it ''the loser mumbles something about bad luck. ''
    As far as Mark D psychobabble LOL= Ok but if the '' outcome off SINGLE trade is random'' that means someone is dumb enough to believe in '''random markets''LOL:D:D
     
    #57     Jul 8, 2022
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    NO sir\ not a bad book just has some bad parts; The book he wrote with Don Trump trumps many other books. That's sort of like saying a Don Channel is bad just because the market has sideways slop -chop trend.................................................................................
     
    #58     Jul 8, 2022
  9. schizo

    schizo

    While luck plays a critical role in trading, there is a decisive difference between a dumb luck and an educated guess. The former can only last so long. Before long, your luck will run out and you'll truly feel dumb. So if you want to be lucky, at the very least take an educated guess. Obviously, this will only come with many years of experience.
     
    #59     Jul 8, 2022
  10. The irony is...most so-called...educated, professional, guesses in the market....turns out to be, rather, nothing more than just dumb luck and complete failure trades. Both sides...are essentially completely gambling...their results says so.
    Dumb money and Smart money.....are both dumb money. Amateurs and Professionals are the same breed.
    Make a million dollar turtle, :D
     
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    #60     Jul 8, 2022
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