Losing days

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Millionaire, May 14, 2017.

  1. %%
    Good question ;with a max draw Down of 18%, sounds logical.....:D
     
    #111     Oct 6, 2017
  2. Millionaire

    Millionaire

    The 18% was not a Max, but the largest in the backtest.
    Future drawdowns could be larger. I would say 25 or 30% would be largest i might see over a full trading career (50 years) if i ran my current system for that long.

    As for winning days, i don't want to risk revealing anything related to my edge in any way, which posting winning days might risk doing, but i might do monthly or quarterly PnL in 2018, with both losing and winning PnL posted.
     
    #112     Oct 6, 2017
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  3. Millionaire

    Millionaire

    Lost -1938GBP today, -2539 USD

    Still in drawdown

    So far I have had 42 losing days this year

    -5530
    -3130
    -756
    -4379
    -265
    -2732
    -4187

    -2058
    -4974
    -103

    -2807
    -2766
    -3243
    -4107
    -3778

    -5209

    -3513

    -8699
    -4668

    -4920
    -1842
    -1988
    -3402

    -7001

    -3063

    -3710
    -1787
    -5353
    -3560
    -2187

    -8155
    -6249
    -2959

    -2959
    -1464
    -4683

    -2186

    -4729
    -3031

    -4004
    -1261
    -1938
     
    #113     Oct 10, 2017
  4. Overnight

    Overnight

    Oh, this should be rich. Especially since you mentioned earlier that you "wanted to post only your losing days so you could get a mental handle on losing.". This in a very interesting journal. Hey, no worries. If you post your winning days in the same format, I don't think you'd have to worry about "revealing your winning edge." Seriously.




    "
    -5530
    -3130
    -756
    -4379
    -265
    -2732
    -4187

    -2058
    -4974
    -103

    -2807
    -2766
    -3243
    -4107
    -3778

    -5209

    -3513

    -8699
    -4668

    -4920
    -1842
    -1988
    -3402

    -7001

    -3063

    -3710
    -1787
    -5353
    -3560
    -2187

    -8155
    -6249
    -2959

    -2959
    -1464
    -4683

    -2186

    -4729
    -3031

    -4004
    -1261
    -1938"

    No edge can be gleaned from your losers, so no edge could be gained from your winners. Try a 30-YO video game. At least losers there are not permanent...

     
    #114     Oct 10, 2017
  5. Millionaire

    Millionaire

    -3383GBP (-4400 USD)
     
    #115     Oct 13, 2017
  6. truetype

    truetype

    Exactly. Max historical drawdown is a useless stat. Markets have no memory, and don't care about your trading account. Every day is a new day.
     
    #116     Oct 13, 2017
  7. Millionaire

    Millionaire

    Actually it is not completely useless.

    You can factor in the previous largest drawdown into your bet sizing rules. You can control how you much you lose during bad drawdowns. You can bet 5% of your capital on the next trade or you can bet 0.1% on the next trade, or anything inbetween. Now if your trading is in record drawdown territory you probably don't want to be betting anything close to 5%. I would be betting 0.5% or less.

    What you cant do is control the length of the drawdown. If it lasts for 2 years it lasts 2 years. What most people do is switch systems well before that point, typically we jump to a new system that is making new equity highs.. this gives us a feel good feeling compared to the depressing feeling of trading a system that was in a deep drawdown. Typically what happens is the old abandoned system becomes profitable again while the new system starts drawing down soon after we begin trading with it.
     
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2017
    #117     Oct 13, 2017
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  8. Visaria

    Visaria

    Good journal....I understand why u r doing it...aside from coping with the drawdown, it's good to see u can deal with all the negative comments on here with reasoned responses rather than emotional outbursts. Kudos.
     
    #118     Oct 14, 2017
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  9. Millionaire

    Millionaire

    -4835 GBP (-6300 USD)
     
    #119     Oct 16, 2017
  10. Visaria

    Visaria

    May I ask the size of the account you are trading?
     
    #120     Oct 16, 2017