Lord Stern: 'People should give up eating meat to halt climate change'

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tigerjaw, Oct 27, 2009.

  1. TGregg

    TGregg

    Somebody needs to tell Lord Shithead and his libtard followers that they are contributing to carbon pollution with every breath. So if they'd like to lower CO2, they should do the world a favor and slit their own throats.
     
    #21     Oct 28, 2009
  2. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    #22     Oct 28, 2009
  3. Ricter

    Ricter

    Those factors would be constants though...
     
    #23     Oct 28, 2009
  4. There is much evidence to the contrary, and it takes far too much work for me to bother typing because its unlikely you'd even look at it. Here's just one opinion on this from a guy who disagrees with the global warming baloney, Dr. Phil Chapman. You'd probably try to call him some kind of 'right wing nut case' - - - but he happens to have been an MIT staff physicist, NASA's first astronaut from Australia, and Apollo 14 Mission Scientist. So much less qualified than some hack columinist that you aped, huh ?

    http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/32821

    Unlike guys like Al Gore who stand to make millions through his carbon credit trading frauds. Dr. Chapman actually knows something about science and has nothing to gain from raising a red flag on this attempt at Grand Theft on a massive scale.

    O.K. I wasted lots of time, but maybe someone else who can actually read and think will see the above article and it will have an impact. - - -

    P.S. - - - just for the helluvit, go into a used bookstore some time and try to find old magazines from the 70s. You'll find front pages touted the coming 'New Ice Age'. There's a sucker born every minute - - who knows nothing of history.
     
    #24     Oct 28, 2009
  5. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    That sucker would be you, Tigger.

    Speaking of NASA:

    http://climateprogress.org/2007/12/...warmest-year-ever-warmest-year-likely-by-2010

    Through the first 11 months, 2007 is the second warmest year in the period of instrumental data, behind the record warmth of 2005, in the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) analysis.

    Even an “unusually cold” December, would only drop 2007 to the third warmest year ever. NASA points out:

    The six warmest years in the GISS record have all occurred since 1998, and the 15 warmest years in the record have all occurred since 1988.

    http://ucsusa.wsm.ga3.org/assets/documents/global_warming/recordtemp2005LoRes.pdf
     
    #25     Oct 28, 2009
  6. By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer Seth Borenstein, Ap Science Writer – Mon Oct 26, 5:12 pm ET
    WASHINGTON – Have you heard that the world is now cooling instead of warming? You may have seen some news reports on the Internet or heard about it from a provocative new book. Only one problem: It's not true, according to an analysis of the numbers done by several independent statisticians for The Associated Press.

    The case that the Earth might be cooling partly stems from recent weather. Last year was cooler than previous years. It's been a while since the super-hot years of 1998 and 2005. So is this a longer climate trend or just weather's normal ups and downs?

    In a blind test, the AP gave temperature data to four independent statisticians and asked them to look for trends, without telling them what the numbers represented. The experts found no true temperature declines over time.
    If you look at the data and sort of cherry-pick a micro-trend within a bigger trend, that technique is particularly suspect," said John Grego, a professor of statistics at the University of South Carolina.

    Yet the idea that things are cooling has been repeated in opinion columns, a BBC news story posted on the Drudge Report and in a new book by the authors of the best-seller "Freakonomics." Last week, a poll by the Pew Research Center found that only 57 percent of Americans now believe there is strong scientific evidence for global warming, down from 77 percent in 2006.

    Global warming skeptics base their claims on an unusually hot year in 1998. Since then, they say, temperatures have dropped — thus, a cooling trend. But it's not that simple.

    Since 1998, temperatures have dipped, soared, fallen again and are now rising once more. Records kept by the British meteorological office and satellite data used by climate skeptics still show 1998 as the hottest year. However, data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA show 2005 has topped 1998. Published peer-reviewed scientific research generally cites temperatures measured by ground sensors, which are from NOAA, NASA and the British, more than the satellite data.

    The recent Internet chatter about cooling led NOAA's climate data center to re-examine its temperature data. It found no cooling trend.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091026/ap_on_bi_ge/us_sci_global_cooling
     
    #26     Oct 28, 2009
  7. Associated Press 'independent' (unnamed statisticians) supposedly inteviewed by an AP writer ?

    Are you freakin' nuts ?
     
    #27     Oct 28, 2009
  8. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    I see a lot of yelling and hand-waving from you, but I'm not seeing any counter-evidence. :p :D
     
    #28     Oct 28, 2009
  9. Well, there's tons of it . . . but I doubt you'll read any of it that counters your opinions. Here's an EPA report that was suppressed from higher ups since it didn't fit the p.r. program:

    http://cei.org/cei_files/fm/active/0/DOC062509-004.pdf

    In particular page 6 of this 98 page document points out that temps have cooled slightly and there is no evidence supporting the idea that the polar ice cap has been shrinking due to global warming.
    Also read the Preface where the EPA scientists are concerned about the fact that some in the EPA (the political higher ups - though they don't say that) have been willing to accept the party line from other agencies, when their own studies & research do not support the global warming line. - -

    Do a little homework (if youre able to understand hard science) and maybe there's a basis for a discussion. - - -
     
    #29     Oct 28, 2009
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