You may politically and socially agree with every single thing the murderer/rapist says besides the murder/rape BUT the murderer/rapist does not deserve your respect and gratification of being treated like a normal human being. You are distorting their reality. Lets say a rapist makes comments about a football game that is in tune with your own thoughts. It doesn't matter. This person is a sick human being. If you legitimize not only their opinions but their intellect then you communicate to the individual that their past actions aren't all that bad. The best and only thing people should do is refer this person to a prison or a mental institution. Communication other than motivating the person to deeply question their beliefs and motivating the person to realize they have something extremely wrong with them is irresponsible and sickening in it's own right. Example- "Hey John hows it going?" "Not bad, I raped a 10 year old today." "Oh I don't agree with that...You catch the football game yesterday?" You enable the person to sustain their present horrible thought process and actions by acting like the 10 year old they just raped really is just some small crime like slashing a persons tires.
You agree or disagree with what the muderer/rapist says. It ends right there. Nobody is talking about giving ''support" and "gratification" or treating the murderer/rapist like "a normal human being." Again, you agree or disagree with the murderer/rapist's comments about a football game. End of story. Nobody is legitimizing his "opinions" or "intellect" and attempting to communicate to the muderer/rapist about his past actions. Nobody is trying to communicate with the murderer/rapist nor attempting to motivate this person to question his beliefs. Therefore your assertion about "irresponsibility and being sickening in its own right" is moot. Ridiculous nonsense. The issue being discussed here is agreeing with the murderer/rapist's views about a football game. Nobody is enabling anybody about sustaining any horrible thought process or action nor condoning the rape of a 10 year old and treating it like a travesty.
You have the right to treat this issue as an 'obligation' just as I have the right to consider such subject unrelated attacks on an individual unwarranted, taking into consideration the particular group of people who are engaging in such tirades. Not sure how you came up with that. I did state that I don't consider Z to be a pedophile. Nothing more and nothing less.
I came up with it by reading your posts. It's what you said. You defended his right to state his opinion (that raping a 10 year-old child is morally defensible) without telling him to fuck off in the same sentence. I find that to be extremely distasteful.
Hmmm... you know, I used to be. But I would be very interested in links to three posts which indicate that I am 'pretty damned liberal'. Not saying that they don't exist, but I can't recall posting anything in the past few years that would put me in the 'pretty damned liberal' camp. Maybe because I'm pro choice? Fiscal conservative and social centrist is a better description, I would think. I do accept the role of Troll arch-rival, although I'm in semi-retirement. I'm the only one he won't respond to because I owned him so badly, I drove him into relapse. He claims to have me on ignore but then he accidentally responds to my posts every once in a while.
Mom0/pH0x, I refer to your two billets-doux to me in this thread. First, I should point out that I respect Nik. I do not like ZZZzzzzzzz, as I have mentioned time and again both in this thread and in others. I think he is insufferable in the religious threads and can generally be a consummate asshole. However, I do agree with a good deal of his US politics. It would appear that I have inadvertently mischaracterized you in this thread. I took the time to read a few of your posts, and you clearly do not fall in line with the usual suspects to whom I referred in this thread. You have a thing against ZZZzzzzzzz. Perhaps it would help you to know that I was at least tangentially instrumental in getting him banned when he went by the name of ARogueTrader, by specifically drawing Baron's attention to his conduct in the chat room a few years ago at a most opportune time. He, or at least that handle, was banned moments later. No, Z and I do not have a pleasant history. But that is neither here nor there. You accuse him of being a pedophile. Of course, neither of us knows, but if I were a betting man, I'd bet a dollar that he is not. A shit-disturber without peer? Without a doubt. However, here is the bone I have to pick. ZZZzzzzzzz's Hard Right political adversaries here at ET are quick to jump on anything that resembles a smear tactic with anyone who disagrees with them. It is in their nature. Perhaps they are spawns of Rove. Who knows. For example, I wasn't aware until Pabst repeatedly pointed out to me that I was a communist cocksucker. Imagine my surprise. And so, the moment some of these idiot predators smell blood, real or imagined, they come out of their swamps and attack as a group. These are the same people who vilify and demonize their new president at every opportunity that presents itself and who still can't quite remove the brown smudge off their noses from the last president. Again, I suppose it's a Rove thing. I refer to the usual suspects here with whom you are no doubt familiar. See, their modus operandi remains identical. They're mindlessly doing the same thing but with different prey, however deserving or not that prey may be. And frankly, it sickens me. While you may be sincere in your personal attacks against ZZZzzzzzzz, they are merely being expedient. And so, I confess that I evidently painted you with the broad brush. Not directly, but, I must admit, at least inadvertently. For this you have my apology.
Never ever have I condoned the act of raping a 10 year-old child or that such an act could be justified by its moral defense. I did say and continue to persist that an individual has the right to express his/her views and opinions here. I have not mentioned anywhere on this site that I defend Z's statement about the raping of a 10year old child and the moral defense rationalization. I'll reiterate that I don't consider Z to be a pedophile. Having said that, it is loathsome to see him attempt to vindicate and exculpate pedophilia based on the premise of morality.
Thanks, +1. she used that exact despicable "line of thought" to brand me a pedophile & apologist for murderers...just too busy to answer her crap. She .the raging feminist, and the jewnazis have found sthg common to demonize.... nice try