Looking for an experienced trading bot builder/mentor

Discussion in 'Automated Trading' started by JohnWilcox, Aug 20, 2022.

  1. Real Money

    Real Money

    I was looking for edge/quant models that can predict/estimate risk/reward and demand and/or positioning for size players in futures markets and synthetics.

    It took a long time and ultimately involves fairly sophisticated statistics models.

    Differential and integral functions of various regression model errors/residuals. This is similar to how you would design autopilot/robot/AI or automated control systems etc.

    Futures markets are controlled by algos that use liquidity models based on things like volume, OI, vol, and resting/filled orders. IMO, its similar to this picture where the blue line represents volume buying and selling and the orange line represents the price or price vs something like VWAP or related assets/instruments.

    PP Model.png

    IMO, full automation is an entirely different animal. Building useful models takes heavy math skills, but an actual managed robot takes very heavy programming chops and will entail significant risks. I wish I could tackle full automation but I'm much more of a mathematician than a programmer.
     
    #11     Aug 21, 2022
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  2. Sprout

    Sprout

    Luv the predator/prey analogy, although lambs might be more apropos when describing liquidity.
     
    #12     Aug 21, 2022
  3. themickey

    themickey

    I think for a sole trader, full automation or even partial automation is an impossible task.
    There is just too much complexity involved with its creation for one person to manage.
    I enjoy writing code but just algos not involved with automation, and some trading days so busy coding that I'm too distracted with coding I can't find time to trade.
     
    #13     Aug 21, 2022
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  4. easymon1

    easymon1

    The tool-builders eternal dilemma. task, time, resources. Tool - not good enough - good enough - optimal - guilding the lilly.
     
    #14     Aug 21, 2022
  5. themickey

    themickey

    There's a saying, "everyone gets from the markets what they want".
    Money obviously the prime reason you would think, but other reasons; entertainment, occupation, satisfaction, distraction, understanding, education, ego validation, improvement.
    Building trading tools is hugely fun but you've gotta enjoy maths and challenges.
    The more you do, the easier it becomes, but the road is long and winding.
    It suits introverts who live in a cave.
     
    #15     Aug 21, 2022
  6. M.W.

    M.W.

    Why do a few people always pollute the very few high information and value content threads with nonsense? It seems to be an addiction. Can't wait for Overnight to chime in as well to post some stupid music clips. Sigh...

     
    #16     Aug 21, 2022
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  7. easymon1

    easymon1

    Squeeze me M.W.
    Duly noted.
     
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    #17     Aug 21, 2022
  8. easymon1

    easymon1

    Do you allow your creations to trigger entries and exits?
    How much of the average week do these operate in a more or less 'hands-off' fashion?
     
    #18     Aug 21, 2022
  9. M.W.

    M.W.

    5 out of 7 days. How do you define hands off? Either a framework is fully algorithmic or it's not.

     
    #19     Aug 21, 2022
  10. Not true.

    He is a fund manager and so has an audited track record.

    WTF is a 'trade room'?

    Disclosure: I wrote a chapter in that book.

    Rob
     
    #20     Aug 21, 2022
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