Long COVID - A Significant Public Health Threat

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Feb 23, 2021.

  1. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    I prefer to deny them health coverage if they're known to be anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers if they become stricken with Covid...then soon after need to be hospitalized.
    • Therefore, if they check into a hospital...they must pay out of pocket at their own expense.
    Seriously, those Covidiots will drive up insurance rates for everybody else and maybe put hospitals at full capacity with patients...resulting in subpar medical care for others being hospitalized for other medical illness / injuries.

    Look at India, its so bad over there...patients are sharing the same bed. That's fucked up.

    I would tell an anti-masker or anti-vaxxer we're going to put you over there in the corner on the floor or put you in a bed with another Covidiot that's almost dead. :mad:

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    #11     Apr 24, 2021
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  2. Denial for denial's sake? Nothing good on TV?
     
    #12     Apr 24, 2021
  3. It is now indisputable that as a result of 24/7 gaslighting we have millions of people who are suffering from Covid news OCD, Covid hypochondria and Covid anxiety disorder. There just isn't anything about this very treatable illness which warrants this type of hysteria.
     
    #13     Apr 24, 2021
  4. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    The Covid obsession resides with the Covid Deniers obsessed with their freedoms and trying to distort or hide the reality of Covid any way they can. It's fucking dumb. Talking about the "fascist left" is fucking dumb. Please, stop being fucking dumb.
     
    #14     Apr 25, 2021
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    But the COVID-deniers claimed that children suffer nearly no ill effects...

    Children may be at risk from long Covid symptoms, study finds
    Data shows 24% of patients had persistent ailments months after leaving a Moscow hospital
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-at-risk-from-long-covid-symptoms-study-finds

    Children who are hospitalised with coronavirus may be at risk of persistent fatigue and other symptoms of long Covid, according to researchers who examined the health of patients months after they were discharged.

    Scientists interviewed the parents of more than 500 children who were admitted to a Moscow hospital with Covid between April and August last year. They found that a quarter had ongoing symptoms more than five months after returning home, with the most common ailments being fatigue, sleep disruption and sensory problems.

    The preliminary work from a global team of scientists, including UK researchers on the International Severe Acute Respiratory and Emerging Infection Consortium (Isaric), is not conclusive, but builds on early data from the Office for National Statistics that suggests some children may have ongoing symptoms after Covid infection.

    Among 518 children included in the study, 24% had persistent symptoms when followed up seven to nine months after they left hospital with parents most often reporting fatigue (10%), sleep disturbances (7%) and sensory problems (6%). Older children appeared to be at greater risk than younger ones and a history of allergies may be a contributing factor, too.

    Dr Daniel Munblit, a specialist in paediatrics and allergy at Sechenov University in Moscow, said that while the findings are preliminary, doctors should to take the prospect of long Covid in children seriously.

    “This shows that there is a problem,” he said. “Fatigue is the commonest issue. We are not talking about fatigue for a day or two, we are talking about quite persistent fatigue and the cause of this fatigue needs to be determined.”

    According to the study, 16% of the children had fatigue soon after leaving hospital, a figure that dropped to 12% within a few months. But from then on it declined far slower, with 11% of children still fatigued seven months later. More than 8% of children had a loss of smell on leaving hospital, and while this too improved over time, nearly 6% still reported problems seven months later.

    Previous work from the Isaric group, submitted to the government’s Sage committee of experts, found that working-age women hospitalised with Covid are five times more likely to develop long Covid than men in the same age group. But while long Covid in adults is reasonably well established as a medical condition, there has been far less research on children who do not generally become severely ill with coronavirus.

    In further work, the scientists asked parents to rate their children on a wellness scale before and after their stay in hospital. Those with no long Covid symptoms scored much the same after being discharged, but having one or more persistent symptoms significantly reduced wellness, the authors write.

    “In some children, most definitely the parents acknowledge a reduction in wellness and I would think that to a certain degree it impacts on their daily life,” said Munblit.

    Other hospitals, notably in Sweden and Italy, have recently reported cases of long Covid in children, but as with the latest study, the data came from single centres and includes small numbers of patients. How common, or rare, the problem may be in children will be the focus of a new study at UCL, which is investigating long Covid in 11- to 17-year-olds who are not hospitalised with the disease.

    Frances Simpson, a psychology lecturer at Coventry University who contributed to the study, co-founded the charity Long Covid Kids, which represents more than 2,000 concerned parents of children with ongoing symptoms. Many have been ill for over a year.

    “These families have faced the uncertainty and fear of a novel virus, often being disbelieved or told that the causes are psychological,” she said. “We have been campaigning since last year for research into this phenomenon, and are delighted that good quality research such as this is now being published. Hopefully this will lead to more research, more evidence, and better care for these children.”
     
    #15     Apr 27, 2021
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  6. jem

    jem

    You left out the part about healthy kids and that it is comparable in risk to the flu. Some kids have long haul flu.

    on the other hand... if a child has co morbidities then they are more at Risk from problems from covid. No one I know ever said otherwise.
     
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    #16     Apr 27, 2021
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So not only can "Long COVID" appear months after a person was infected... but the maximum natural anti-body immunity to re-infection disappears after 9 months... and after a mere 3 months in most people.

    Experts raise concerns on long Covid symptoms appearing after six months to a year from infection

    NK Arora, chief of Operations Research Group, part of the national Covid task force, also said antibodies may remain in the system for three to nine months.
    https://scroll.in/latest/995360/exp...ing-after-six-months-to-a-year-from-infection

    Recovered Covid-19 patients may develop new symptoms within six months to a year after recuperating from the disease, a member of the coronavirus National Task Force, under the Indian Council of Medical Research, told The Hindu in an interview.

    “Covid-19 is a recent disease and at times it displays symptoms which no other viral infection does,” said NK Arora, chief of Operations Research Group, which is part of the national Covid task force. “While we are developing understanding about the short and long-term impact on the body, we now know that one may develop new symptoms six months to one year after recovering from Covid. The term given to this is long Covid.”

    The medical expert added that studies showed that after a Covid-19 infection, antibodies may remain in the system for three to nine months, preventing re-infections. He also spoke about data collated in India and other countries that show re-infections were rare. “However, in some cases, it may occur any time beyond three months after recovery from Covid-19,” Arora told The Hindu. “Vaccines provide protection against severe disease for a longer duration.”

    Apollo TeleHealth senior internal medicine consultant Mubasheer Ali, however, said that available data also proved that only a few people may experience these long-term effects. These symptoms include fatigue, respiratory and neurological impacts.

    Ali said that it was still unclear how many recovered coronavirus patients had experienced the long Covid symptoms. He cited studies to highlight that one among 10 people might experience these symptoms for three weeks or more.

    Manipal Hospital, Delhi, Head of Department of Emergency Medicine Sushant Chhabra, said some people among those infected with the B.1.671 coronavirus strain were showing long-term effects. “There are many cases which we have observed in the last few days wherein patients have Covid-19 like symptoms but their RT-PCR tests are showing negative results,” he told The Hindu. “Irrespective, we are treating them as Covid-19 patients.”

    The immunity to Covid-19 for a recovered patient was three to four months, according to Chhabra.


    In the US

    Meanwhile, the long-term effects of Covid-19 was cropping up among those under 20 in the United States. The symptoms were showing in a largely small percentage of children but the numbers have been increasing, according to Bloomberg.

    The UH Rainbow Babies and Children’s Hospital in Cleveland was setting up a Long Haul Clinic for only young people being affected with long-term symptoms.

    During a briefing at the White House on Tuesday, US President Joe Biden’s top Covid advisor Andrew Slavitt also spoke about his son being affected with long-term symptoms.

    “He’s young and fit and in the prime of his life,” Slavitt said. “But six months later, he still suffers from tachycardia, shortness of breath, and ongoing and frequent flu-like symptoms. His hands are cold to the touch. Neither he nor his parents – my wife and I – are sure how long this will last. Many young people are in this situation, and many, many have it worse.”

    Slavitt shared the personal story in an attempt to urge more people to get vaccinated in the country.

    India, which has been reeling under the second wave of the Covid-19 pandemic, has had a difficult time tackling the rise in infections. The country’s healthcare infrastructure took a beating amid an unprecedented surge in new cases, with depleting resources, including medical oxygen and drugs.

    The current rise in infections has also been reported to affect the younger population more, an occurrence not recorded in the first wave of Covid-19 cases.

    India on Thursday recorded 2,76,110 new coronavirus cases, taking the total count of infections to 2,57,72,440 since the pandemic broke out in January 2020. The country’s toll rose to 2,87,122 as it registered 3,874 deaths in the last day.
     
    #17     May 23, 2021
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  8. jem

    jem

    Hold off on the full fear mongering ... and remember there are other ways people fight Covid.


    Once you had covid your T cells may be ready to spin up the defenses faster.
    (Is that not the point of the vaccines? )

    Healthy people fight off covid with minimal or short lasting antibodies.


    It has been speculated many people may have had covid and been missed by the antibody tests because healthy people's antibodies fade quickly if they had them at all.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article246996007.html

    The non-peer reviewed study was published Wednesday in the pre-print server medRxiv.

    “These findings could be significant: current studies that are using antibodies to assess how many people have been infected in a population might have missed some who have been infected,” study co-author David Eyre, a professor at the University of Oxford’s Nuffield Department of Population Health, said in a news release.
     
    #18     May 23, 2021
  9. Ayn Rand

    Ayn Rand

    There is no real science here. Would appreciate some biochemical evidence that certain organic structures had been altered.

    Many could have already been fatigued or experienced case of brain fog prior to Covid but now state Covid as the cause.
     
    #19     May 23, 2021
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  10. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    We'll start seeing hard statistical data within the next 1 - 3 years via studies on long-haulers symptoms...

    Information that insurance companies will use and in disability claims / lawsuits / workplace liability / employment liability claims.

    Normal to see such from any new disease. Regardless, its going to be a mess and I wouldn't be surprise if Hollywood cashes in on this with movies within the next 1 - 2 years.

    Tom Hanks is probably looking for movie roles or directing a movie about Covid. :D

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    #20     May 23, 2021