Long and Short ATM Straddles are Dead Money - But a very accurate indicator of future stock movement

Discussion in 'Options' started by OptionGuru, Jul 10, 2016.

  1. Cswim63

    Cswim63

    I guess the more I try to understand options, the less I do. I don't get the point of the OP. How is that predicting anything?
     
    #21     Jul 11, 2016
  2. nitro

    nitro

    #22     Jul 11, 2016
  3. OptionGuru

    OptionGuru



    Wait till expiry, it should be more clear. Both the long and short straddles should break-even - at most a small profit or loss not worth the risk. They are dead money not worth trading.



    :)
     
    #23     Jul 11, 2016
  4. sle

    sle

    Ok, lets take this idiocy apart.

    1. an options MM is pricing vol, not options - since they are delta hedging, their p&l is not dependent on the terminal distribution, but only on the incremental path of realized vs implied volatility

    2. despite large number of buyers and sellers, implied volatility would generally be structurally higher, since the seller wants to be compensated for the short convexity position

    3. liquidity in the underlying does play a huge role in this process, since delta hedging requires stock liquidity and signals the market to take the opposite positions

    4. the points 1, 2 and 3 above do suggest that you can somewhat predict the expiration price for large delta hedged positions that outsize the underlying market, but it's pretty hard

    5. if you have testicles and capital of sufficient size, you can create these situations artificially (i.e. put-bomber pre-08 and such)

    6. pretty much everything in the OP is total bullshit
     
    #24     Jul 11, 2016
  5. Cswim63

    Cswim63

    Ok I think I get that. To what degree are we saying that? Is there any assumption about volatility?
     
    #25     Jul 11, 2016
  6. Cswim63

    Cswim63

    Sorry sle your post came in in the middle.
     
    #26     Jul 11, 2016
  7. Cswim63

    Cswim63

    Isn't the decision to buy or sell a straddle mostly a volatility call or am I missing something?
     
    #27     Jul 11, 2016
  8. J_Smith

    J_Smith

    Option trading is all about volatility - any idiot who trades for a while knows that!

    As the little suckers that cling onto the sharks, we need not worry ourselves about the intricate workings of MM's and hedging, as that is indeed a complicated area that billions of $$$ is spent on, made, and lost!

    Our goal, as the "suckers", should be to perfect our timing, as this automatically increases our odds of winning - fuk the MM's and their billions of dollars infrastructure.

    To make money all you need to do is GET IN and then GET OUT at the right time - the better you get at it, the more you will make!

    Deep down I know I am wasting my time with options analysis, but, it is interesting, and I like interesting things as it keeps the mind active and stops the dreaded Alzheimer's :rolleyes:

    J_S
     
    #28     Jul 11, 2016
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  9. Cswim63

    Cswim63

    Anything that looks like easy money is attractive, like a beautiful woman. And we can even tell ourselves we are winning with her. But there is no such thing, only an idle truce perhaps
     
    #29     Jul 11, 2016
  10. " a very accurate indicator of future stock movement " - That's correct: There is surely an uncertainty ahead!
     
    #30     Jul 11, 2016