Local vol and skew

Discussion in 'Options' started by TheBigShort, Aug 13, 2018.

  1. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    I agree the 231 is very nice. In fact when you qoute some of the flies with flat skew, they are usually 100% more than market(longer dated flys 60 - 100 Dte). I have noticed you trade very slightly OTM 231 P flys short dated. Why not go a bit further OTM and get more skew? You trade the 2 week Dte, 95%/97.5%/102.5% 231 P Fly. Correct me if I am wrong.
     
    #11     Aug 13, 2018
  2. destriero

    destriero


    I trade many of those to LTD/expiration so I am targeting a price. I put a portion of all gains into a series of OTM 231P flies.
     
    #12     Aug 13, 2018
  3. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    When you are deciding if the skew is fair, are you looking at local vol? I am finding it challenging using BSM to decide if skew is fair. Ie. SPX 90% 3 month skew is 16% but if spot actually trades to 90% moneyness, then spot will most likely be around IV of 30%. Local vol is telling me 47% for an instantaneous move, which makes more sense.
     
    #13     Aug 13, 2018
  4. destriero

    destriero


    I can't go into detail.
     
    #14     Aug 13, 2018
  5. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    LOL cmon Des! Whats the price tag
     
    #15     Aug 13, 2018
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  6. destriero

    destriero


    You can price the fly at the outside wing using local vol. That should be a column on any r/t sheet.
     
    #16     Aug 13, 2018
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  7. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    Maybe my question should be, why would I decide to use a local vol or Stochastic vol model for determining fair skew rather than the BSM.
     
    #17     Aug 13, 2018
  8. destriero

    destriero


    Because the only time that BSM will represent IRL results is when strips are at 30 due to price shocks & zero curvature.

    I price all legs at ATM vol as well for modeling edge.
     
    #18     Aug 13, 2018
  9. TheBigShort

    TheBigShort

    Sorry Des, having trouble with your code here. IRL?
    Do you not agree with the market that downside vol should be elevated?
     
    #19     Aug 13, 2018
  10. Gotcha

    Gotcha

    Just a guess:

    IRL= in real life

    (its the only thing I understand in this discussion... LOL)
     
    #20     Aug 13, 2018
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