LJM Preservation and Growth Fund, collapsed by 82 percent! (WTF?)

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by prc117f, Feb 8, 2018.

  1. KevinD

    KevinD

    If I remember correctly the ES 2200p (exp 02-09) did spike up to $60 Monday night, from roughly $1.50 intra-day. So definitely a panic episode there right as it looked like markets were headed for limit down (2512 or so).

    Edit: ES 2200p (exp 02-16-18) 0.40 intra-day to $71.50 Monday night. bid/offers a mile wide thru the next day.
     
    #51     Feb 11, 2018
  2. RedDuke

    RedDuke

    Out of those events I can only speak about 9-11, prices were no where near as bad.
     
    #52     Feb 11, 2018
  3. RedDuke

    RedDuke

    Yep, and modeling something like this would be a stroke of genuis.
     
    #53     Feb 11, 2018
  4. KevinD

    KevinD

    I agree with you. Prices/spreads were also tight even during the mini-meltdown in April 2000 with RAES, etc. Monday/Tuesday, there was hardly a functioning options market, which has long been speculated would be the case after years of one-way liquidity/passive investing flows, etc.
     
    #54     Feb 11, 2018
  5. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn


    The move was extraordinary only in that vol moved faster relative to spx than most models would have predicted. But this was not out of the realm of what a professional firm should be testing for.

    Virtually every professional vol trader will be shocking their book for the "overnight gap event." Especially a volatility seller.


    Either they were doing it and ignoring that risk (perhaps dismissing it as low probability) or they weren't doing it.

    If the first case then that's gross negligence. If the second then gross incompetence.

    It's even more shocking if you look at their past performance. Whatever they were doing in 2008 clearly they weren't doing in 2018. I get the sense whatever they were doing in 2017, they weren't doing in 2018.
     
    #55     Feb 11, 2018
  6. RedDuke

    RedDuke

    Looks like they are done. Just google LJMAX symbol.
     
    #56     Feb 11, 2018
  7. truetype

    truetype

    #57     Feb 14, 2018

  8. I calculated that with ES at 2519, with 10 days to expiration a price of 71.500 for this put would be a 122 % implied vol
     
    #58     Feb 14, 2018
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  9. prc117f

    prc117f

    Yup looks like the name is gonna get them in big trouble.

    lost most of its value despite touting its ability “to deliver solid returns while maintaining risk parameters” in its most recent annual report to shareholders.

    “In truth, however, [the fund] was not focused on capital preservation and left investors exposed to an unacceptably high risk of catastrophic losses,” the complaint said.
     
    #59     Feb 14, 2018
  10. prc117f

    prc117f

    yeah I made about 8K this last few days some premiums were inflated. (I did hedge of course just in case). things are slowly getting back to normal. I do hope we keep VIX over 20s for the next few months.

    I did lose some money on a fat finger trade, My first fat finger trade ever and it cost me 600 dollars :)
     
    #60     Feb 14, 2018