Living on a boat and avoiding taxes

Discussion in 'Taxes and Accounting' started by Fishbird, Aug 8, 2005.

  1. Sig

    Sig

    Actually living in Puerto Rico is about as good as it's going to get, where you pay almost no federal income tax. If all you care about is taxes. Not a Republican state by any stretch of the imagination, btw.
     
    #401     Jun 5, 2017
  2. speedo

    speedo

    San Juan is expensive.
     
    #402     Jun 5, 2017
  3. bone

    bone

    Yeah, I kinda checked it out a couple years ago. Turns out that security and infrastructure is a consideration. I priced out a gated community and office space in the financial district. As I recall, after digging deeper there was also something about the tax structure that for my situation didn't make the entire package so compelling - my accountant didn't think I could show trading income from US and international exchanges as being generated intrinsically from within Puerto Rico.
     
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    #403     Jun 6, 2017
  4. Mtrader

    Mtrader

    First things to do:
    1. give up US citizenship
    2. get out of the US
    Only after you did that there are good possibilities. 99.9% of ET will never make these steps. And almost nobody will need to make these steps as they should make good money before it will be interesting. So this discussion is daydreaming as most don't make enough money, and those who do will not make the necessary steps.
     
    #404     Jun 6, 2017
  5. luisHK

    luisHK


    Obviously there is a compulsory step missing before your number 1 :

    acquire a second citizenship,

    which is not very easy, especially if one wants to get a good passport. And for rich americans, your number 1 seems to be an expensive option as well because of exit tax.
    Strange situation americans are in, dreadful to think many other governments dream to ensnare their citizens in a similar net. Similar proposals are brought up once in a while in European countries, so far it is contrary to EU laws fortunately, but for how long ?
     
    #405     Jun 6, 2017
  6. Sig

    Sig

    For sure on the security piece, when pretty much every house on the island seems to have steel security bars over all the windows and doors it makes you think twice. I am curious about the tax issue you ran into. My understanding, mostly from a couple casual conversations so by no means comprehensive, made it sound like it was a tax mecca for traders and a bunch of hedge fund types who could stomach living on the Island had moved down specifically for that reason. Maybe they were all just trading distressed debt:D
     
    #406     Jun 6, 2017
  7. franT

    franT

    Everything can be done, at a price. Taxes are always optional, the thing is everybody wants to pay no premium for the option.

    For example George Soros, lives in NY, pays almost no taxes in % terms, makes billions offshore. All legally.

    If you are ready, willing and able, to cross into the "grey area" (alternatives that the IRS hasn't even considered), there are thousands of alternatives, (not hundreds), to acquire citizenships/passports, move assets without friction, domiciling in tax havens, while living anywhere you want, etc, etc.

    If you choose to live in a cruise boat toilet, that's an option too. They will even pay you a salary to clean it.
     
    #407     Jun 6, 2017
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  8. Mtrader

    Mtrader

    Doesn't need to be the first step. Depends on the road you follow and the money you want to spent on it.
     
    #408     Jun 6, 2017
  9. SteveH

    SteveH

    Easiest way to grow money tax free for a US citizen is to have setup a Roth IRA while you were "poor". Trade if very conservatively until your skill level is high, keep adding while you still can.

    Second best way, if you're too late to qualify for a Roth IRA, is to setup a SEP IRA. It will be taxed on withdrawal but your annual max contributions are quite high and you can grow the fund tax free.
     
    #409     Jun 6, 2017
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  10. luisHK

    luisHK

    #410     Jun 6, 2017