Yeah, you seem to have missed almost everything I've written. Try again from the top. This is not my first debate with someone like you; these techniques you're trying to use by twisting and turning everything I say and trying to get me pissed off, lose my head and go all irrational on you is not going to work. If you're not interested in having a civil, honest debate with me, just leave it.
Oh, and once more for the record: In my very first post in this thread, i pasted the following link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inventions_in_the_Islamic_world I specifically pointed out to you that the latest inventions were from at least the 17th century. Since you keep repeating this 800-years mantra of yours, you clearly never even looked at the link. let me point out some of the later inventions for you: There are some newer ones in this link too, which you would have been familiar with if you had read the article: For more information about later contributions from the islamic world, you can read David A. King, "Reflections on some new studies on applied science in Islamic societies (8th-19th centuries)", Islam & Science, June 2004. To sum it up, your mantra should be something more like "the islamic world have not contributed anything for a 100 years". Although this is not entirely correct either, considering the fact that a whole lot of scholars from the arab world have been quite active in many fields and areas the last couple of hundred years as well. Not as active as europeans and americans obviously, but active nevertheless. Actually, I would advice you to skip the whole mantra ..it's not really that cool to begin with.
Recently, I've been learning about polygamy from the Mormon krap here in the US, these polygamists get rid of the young guys so they can have all the women... I had a friend tell me that a year ago, he lived in Utah and he says they just dump them for any excuse at all... they hitchike down to Nevada and find jobs in construction a lot he said, then the polygamy thing in Texas confirmed that 100%, they got rid of the boys there in droves... anyhow, I'm realizing that is what is driving Jihad and suicide bombers, they are throwaways with no chance of having a family life... so the Mullas sucker them into killing themselves for a trumped up noble cause... it's not like they can get a girlfriend and settle down...
It's a well known and undisputed fact that the Islamic golden age ended about 800-1000 years ago. That you can come up with 2-5 inventions of more than mediocre significance that the entire muslim world managed to produce during the following 800 years does not change the fact that their contribution to humanity has been non-existent. Especially given the fact that the western civilization was producing probably 100 inventions every single day during the same period of time. Let alone the fact that the article's accuracy is in dispute and for a very good reason: There are no other contemporary references to the events written of by Evliyâ Ãelebi. No record of Sultan Murad's grant or banishment indicated in Evliyâ Ãelebi's account have been produced or are sited. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezarfen_Ahmet_Celebi
a_person, I wonder if you are at all capable or equipped with the emotional intelligence for grasping the sentiment and meaning behind something like Rammstein - Amerika http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w9EksAo5hY lyrics http://herzeleid.com/en/lyrics/reise_reise/amerika Arab inventions in the area of mechanics and hydraulics in particular have been really beneficial to all modern industrialization.
Actually I have not. Your long, boring and baseless rants were completely without substance, you failed to back up a single accusation you made, your basic point was that Osama Bin Laden representing the arab people does not like our policies in the middle east and therefore our policies should change regardless of how legal and legitimate they might be. There is absolutely no other way to interpret your diatribes. I am not interested in responding to your anti-Israel rant either. Having lost every single point and having failed to support every absurd claim you made it's quite obvious that you are trying to introduce as many red herrings as you can. Good luck with that, a pretty typical approach of an american hating terrorist sympathizer, when a debate is lost start bashing Israel, Bush and the war in Iraq regardless of whether it has anything to do with the debate.
Emotional Intelligence (EI), often measured as an Emotional Intelligence Quotient (EQ), describes an ability, capacity, or skill to perceive, assess, and manage the emotions of one's self, of others, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_intelligence So in answer to your question - I understand that you people are very emotional, I understand that your primary emotions are jealousy, anger and inferiority complex. It's your intelligence that is in dispute though. This thread is a good example - having accused the US of 99% of the killing and gross violations of international laws in the middle east, the emotional person who did it had neither enough intelligence to support his claims nor enough intellectual honesty to apologize for smearing the entire country. All he was capable of doing was posting one emotional rant about body parts, the war in Iraq and Israel after another.
Emotional Intelligence (EI), often measured as an Emotional Intelligence Quotient (EQ), describes an ability, capacity, or skill to perceive, assess, and manage the emotions of one's self, of others, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_intelligence So in answer to your question - I understand that you people are very emotional, I understand that your primary emotions are jealousy, anger, inferiority complex, the feeling of impotence and irrelevancy. I understand that bashing Amerika while drinking Coca Cola is your favorite past time. In other words I do recognize your emotions, it's your intelligence that is in dispute though. This thread is a good example - having accused the US of 99% of the killing and gross violations of international laws in the middle east, the emotional person who did it had neither enough intelligence to support his claims nor enough intellectual honesty to apologize for smearing the entire country. All he was capable of doing was posting one emotional rant about body parts, the war in Iraq and Israel after another.
It really just boils down to: What have you done for me lately? The answer is pretty much nothing and the world has passed them by and the arab/ muslim street is relatively insignifigant in every facet of life with the exception of terrorism.
No it's not. "The Islamic Golden Age, also sometimes known as the Islamic Renaissance,[1] is traditionally dated from the 8th century to the 13th century,[2] though some have extended it to the 15th[3] or 16th[4] centuries." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age 2008-16th century = 408 years 2008-13th century = 708 years The well known and undisputed fact is that the islamic golden age ended between 400 and 700 years ago. The reason for this varying number is the fact that it's a little bit unclear whether one should include the ottoman empire as part of the arab/persian/african era, which it really is not. But in this particular matter, when we're talking about contributions in general by muslims, it's obviously relevant. In other words, if you insist on using this phrase, you can not say that the muslims did not contribute anything for the past 800 years. The very best thing you can say without ridiculing yourself is "the middle eastern muslims have hardly contributed anything the past 700 years". Come on man, now you're getting desperate. Your claim was that muslims have made NO contributions, so finding one that holds it's ground is enough. Which I did. But I get your point, the west have been contributing a whole lot more to the progression of humanity the past centuries. Nobody denies that. Trouble is, if you take islam out of the world history, the western renaissance, enlightenment and finally the industrial age might not have come for another few centuries: "The achievements of the Arabic speaking peoples between the ninth and twelfth centuries are so great as to baffle our understanding. The decadence of Islam and of Arabic is almost as puzzling in its speed and completeness as their phenomenal rise. Scholars will forever try to explain it as they try to explain the decadence and fall of Rome. Such questions are exceedingly complex and it is impossible to answer them in a simple way." â George Sarton , The Incubation of Western Culture in the Middle East' [206] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe Just to mention ONE out of the thousands of great contributions adopted by the west is: The first universities, namely institutions of higher education and research which issue academic degrees at all levels (bachelor, master and doctorate), were medieval Madrasahs known as Jami'ah founded in the 9th century. That's a small part of the educational contributions. In addition, you have contributions in economy, law, literature, philosophy, vocabularity, technology, music, art, engineering, architecture, physics, mathematics, medicine, astronomy, etcetera. Every single aspect of your modern life is to a large extent influenced by the existence of islam. Seriously, read this link, don't just accept that it might be true without acknowledging it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe