Liquid options with low spread

Discussion in 'Options' started by statist, Nov 19, 2022.

  1. destriero

    destriero

    it’s an arb. WTF are you showing independent payoff diagrams?

    I told the OP on page 2. I knew it was a tax strategy and there are only two people on this thread that know what they are talking about.
     
    #81     Nov 25, 2022
  2. destriero

    destriero

    Because you pull the profitable leg in the tax haven year and replicate. Or you pull the losing leg in the taxable domicile and replicate. You’re not getting this. Someone I know did this for someone I know on $30MM notional. They both died in a boating accident in 1909.
     
    #82     Nov 25, 2022
  3. Hmm, trying to understand. Assume we have 2 accounts, say one is in Panama, and one in Switzerland.

    Say I make money in the second account. How do I "pull the profitable leg in the tax heaven" and vice versa?
     
    #83     Nov 25, 2022
  4. destriero

    destriero


    You don’t need two accounts, but you can.

    Buy MSFT -> short synthetic in n-2025 at 260 strike. You are now in the conversion. You are simultaneously long spot and short synthetic spot. No risk outside assignment but it doesn’t matter for illustration. Some rho as well but you’re not covering. Use index.

    Enter 2023. You’re hiding in Panama due to the Paradise Papers and MSFT is up big. You take the gain on shares -> buy the synthetic at n-tenor 2025. You are now in a roll (long synthetic at x, short synthetic at y, 2025).

    Enter 2024. You’re back in Germany plotting the Fourth Reich and need a tax loss for the next putsch. You cover the losing 2025 synthetic leg of the roll-arb -> either go long or short underlying against the remaining synthetic. You can keep this shit up forever or until you’re deposed/exiled.

    It seems complex but it’s not. You’re just a bit out of your depth.
     
    #84     Nov 25, 2022
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  5. I get that he is possibly doing this not as a trading strategy, but to save on taxes.

    However, the two charts only show that whatever he is planning to do with ITM options he can do just the same, and better, with OTM options. Since he was so concerned about the spread.

    It is immaterial how he uses the configuration and if the legs are on different accounts (arbitrage or whatever).
     
    #85     Nov 25, 2022
  6. destriero

    destriero

    omg. stop.
     
    #86     Nov 25, 2022
  7. Ok, I begin to get the picture. So we are talking of continuously moving across countries in time like a fugitive just to save on taxes :)

    Well, sure I am not familiar with that and it is, and will remain, certainly "out of my depth" :)
     
    #87     Nov 25, 2022
  8. destriero

    destriero


    Dude, he stated it. Who cares why? He was explicit about taking a loss in a tax domicile and gains in the tax haven.
     
    #88     Nov 25, 2022
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  9. spy

    spy

    love it
     
    #89     Nov 25, 2022
  10. spy

    spy

    #90     Nov 25, 2022
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