Liquid options with low spread

Discussion in 'Options' started by statist, Nov 19, 2022.

  1. Overnight

    Overnight

    Are you sure you're it is not something simple, like you are looking at hourly charts in real-time?

    That would produce 1 bar per hour. It's all in the details.
     
    #51     Nov 23, 2022
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  2. statist

    statist

    Thank you for your reply! With market neutral I mean I do not want to take a huge risk of price changes in SP500 for example or the underlying in general. Thats why I plan to sell a call and a put way in the money maybe even only for a very short period such as 2 weeks. Sure I have vola change risk and some other "minor" risk or am I missing something substantial in terms of risk? I do have the risk that the price changes so much that one leg is not covering the other part. So I would be looking at something like 30% price change and still be in the money optionwise in case of SP500. Vola spikes up should be in my favour.

    I work in the industry. The reward on the tax side is very high that is why I am thinking about this trade for my client. Client has a low to medium risk acceptance. Investment wise I would like to buy and sell market neutral futures or buy options rather, as I would be covered riskwise , but that does not cut it tax wise. I "need" to sell options as they are treated differently then the rest.
     
    #52     Nov 24, 2022
  3. statist

    statist

    Thanks for your Post! I changed settings and basically I do not see any data just like 5 dots per day, as if the instrument was illiquid. Currently I do not have trading permission for some reason for index options and cannot change it (IB Support is working on it). I can and have however traded options on single stock for years now. Maybe data is not there because I do not have trading permission currently? If I check SPX or apple stock I get a nice chart with all data so it is not some settings I fumbled. Thanks!
     
    #53     Nov 24, 2022
  4. cesfx

    cesfx

    Option charts are not so clean even with permission and data.

    I took this screenshot now, it's a 4025 Spx put, Dec exp, 1week line chart.
    Candle chart would be dots lines and random candles.
     
    #54     Nov 24, 2022
  5. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    i don’t know how trading a liquid option will do that. Ideally you would trade an illiquid option where one entity is another entities counterparty at unfavorable pricing. With liquid options you will have different counterparties at fair pricing.
     
    #55     Nov 24, 2022
  6. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    i think he’s trying to do Karen burton accounting: Mark the premium as a loss.
     
    #56     Nov 24, 2022
  7. destriero

    destriero


    Or simply long some skew in the taxable sufficiently OTM and short it in the deferred (spread). I am sure it would be difficult to self deal?

    so he generates a large credit in the guts strangle at a discount (euro-style) or say he nets a small extrinsic figure. So what is the point? Shorting a dirty box?
     
    #57     Nov 24, 2022
  8. destriero

    destriero

    would only work if he’s got some contractual thing which states he’s only paid on closed transactions. I think he’s attempting some tax arb and happens to be impaired.
     
    #58     Nov 24, 2022
  9. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    but he can’t guarantee losses in one account which is how the tax arb works.

    and it’s not like spx or any of the super liquid stuff he’s looking at has any tax inefficiency priced into it
     
    #59     Nov 24, 2022
  10. destriero

    destriero


    I don’t think he’s tax-arbing with two accounts. It’s the deep credit in one account and he doesn’t know what he’s doing.

    There are a million ways to do it effectively. Single name rolls in as many tickers as you like.
     
    #60     Nov 24, 2022