Limit orders

Discussion in 'Order Execution' started by ProgrammerGuy, Sep 14, 2007.

  1. http://www.nasdaqtrader.com/trader/tradingservices/specsinstallguides/inet_fix1.0.pdf

    Every exchange/ECN has it's own "version" of FIX protocol, there are so many variations in it. What forks for one may not work for another exchange...

    Frankly speaking, I'm trying to minimize usage of limit orders. When there are news in a stock, a market order is the only way to get aboard quickly, otherwise a marketable limit order (say target price + $0.05 ) does the job just fine. Chasing the market by using limit orders is algo's job (and even those guys give up at some point and start hitting bids/taking offers).
     
    #11     Sep 16, 2007

  2. I agree with this statement, only if you know you'll want to entry in, in the current moment. Then it's best to enter at market. However if you know you want to enter in at a specific price in the future it's best to send a limit order, because then there'll be a good chance you'll be up further up in the queue.
     
    #12     Sep 16, 2007
  3. No, your info is wrong.

    Exchange rules did, and still do, allow floor traders sometimes to step in front of older public customer orders at the same price. Your comment about NYSE Hybrid just isn't correct. Take a look at NYSE rule 72. The specialists do not solve this problem by providing liquidity.
     
    #13     Sep 17, 2007
  4. You are talking about cross orders. They are not taking/providing liquidity per se. Furthermore, the floor broker has to flash the quotes for the cross, and another interesting broker may provide price improvement to the cross, but only by taking all existing liquidity at that price (because of the priority). And BTW, the specialist has "nothing" to do in this case.

    So please explain me where the poor customer gets hurt here.
     
    #14     Sep 17, 2007
  5. No, I am not talking about cross orders.

    The customer gets hurt when a floor broker is allowed, by exchange rules, to step in front of older public customer orders at the same price. Exchange rules have traditionally made it perfectly legal for floor brokers to front-run the specialist's public customer limit order book, in certain situations. If you understand why front-running hurts the customer, then you are well on your way to understanding how this situation hurts the customer who is not represented by a floor broker. I think it might also help if you would read exchange rules.
     
    #15     Sep 17, 2007
  6. I did and do read NYSE rules a lot since this is the only exchange I trade on, and I have to know how the exchange works and what the rules are.

    I perfectly know that specialists used to step in and trade ahead of customer orders thus violating the exchange rules (and get fined by doing so). I just don't see in the rules any legitimate case when it's allowed. And again, with Hybrid specialists have little to do in the fast market.

    I'd be very thankful to you if show me any rule (or any situation as you stated) that allows front-running.
     
    #16     Sep 17, 2007
  7. I keep talking about legal front-running by floor brokers, and you keep talking about unlawful front-running by specialists. I am starting to think that you don't know the difference between a specialist and a floor broker. Do you know?

    NYSE Rule 72 allows limited front-running by floor brokers (but not specialists) against public customer limit orders.
     
    #17     Sep 17, 2007
  8. Yes I do know.

    And how the customer can be hurt from this front-running (in this case "front-crossing")?
     
    #18     Sep 17, 2007
  9. syrre

    syrre

    Yes, amending volume down I know of but thats not exactly the same as cancelling :)
     
    #19     Sep 17, 2007
  10. I've posted these exceptions to Hybrid executions before, but they may help in this discussion as well. Basically on the Specialist part (you're all getting closer to the Floor Broker rules, it seems).

    Don
     
    #20     Sep 17, 2007