Life in Venezuela

Discussion in 'Economics' started by DallasCowboysFan, Jun 26, 2016.

  1. luisHK

    luisHK

    #81     Jun 7, 2017
  2. Sig

    Sig

    The last year we have data for from the FBI crime stats is 2015, for which there were 15,696
    Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter deaths in the U.S.
    (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-1)

    For that same year and category by city, the numbers were:
    Chicago-478
    Baltimore-344
    Philadelphia-280
    Los Angeles-282

    Total of all 4 cities=1384
    (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....aw_enforcement_by_state_by_city_2015.xls/view)

    Hopefully we can all agree on the truth of basic math, which gives me a total of 1,384 in the cities you indicated, out of 15,696 total. That gives me the stat that 1384/15696=8.8% of murders in the country happen in the cities you indicated. The 25% number you're basing your beliefs on is nearly 3 times bigger than true number of 8.8%

    The reason I actually looked this up and did the math is to hopefully impress on you that the bubble you live in is feeding you bullshit and no-one in your belief group is doing any independent thinking or verification on the crap you're being fed. One would hope that you would now look at whatever Limbaugh or Hannity or the Fox opinion set or whoever fed you that lie, with a healthy set of skepticism after it was just demonstrated that they flat out lied to you with something that was easily verifiable.

    BTW, I agree with you that crime is under-reported in Mexico and probably Venezuela and many other third world, violent places. Although you can't equate under reporting in something like theft or assault to under reporting in murders unless the murder victims never make it to a morgue (as is probably the case in Mexico). However when comparing U.S. murder rates to the "socialist" countries like Norway, Sweden, France....the U.S. rates are undeniably higher and you can't write it all off as black folks in inner cities. You certainly can't come to the conclusion you espoused earlier, that Venezuela is dangerous because it's socialist. There is absolutely no support for that conclusion.
     
    #82     Jun 7, 2017
  3. Sig

    Sig

    4th is definitely wrong. However the U.S. is pretty far above all other first world countries in murder rate, and even a bunch of second and third world ones. And definitely higher than the so called "socialist" countries that are our contemporaries around the world.
     
    #83     Jun 7, 2017
  4. motif

    motif

    Bernie has three houses, one is a lakefront stunner. Such a Socialist!
     
    #84     Jun 11, 2017
  5. Sig

    Sig

    Once again you've got this caricature of what others believe and don't bother to learn or listen when they tell you what they actually believe.

    Socialists believe we should socialize the costs of services like healthcare and education. They believe that in the long run this is actually better for everyone in the society. They in no way believe that no-one should be wealthy or that wealth is inherently bad. I think you're confused with another philosophy called communism on that one.
     
    #85     Jun 11, 2017
  6. motif

    motif

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    #86     Jun 11, 2017
  7. Sig

    Sig

    Wow, you really have that 6th grade technique down well. How do you manage interact day to day with real adults?
     
    #87     Jun 11, 2017
  8. Venezuela reminds me of that old cliche'.

    Control the oil and you control the nation- check - Chavez did that.

    Control the food and you control the people - check - Maduro has done that.
     
    #88     Jun 14, 2017
  9. motif

    motif

    "Socialism succeeds in making everyone poor."
     
    #89     Jun 14, 2017
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  10. ironchef

    ironchef

    So, in Denmark, Sweden and Norway, folks are very poor since these are the most socialistic of all Western European countries?
     
    #90     Jun 14, 2017