You clearly do not understand Islam. We are at war with certain factions of Islam. If the US was at war with Russia, would the US government let Russians into the country? Why would anyone with half a brain allow potential enemy combatants into their country? Canada is not at war with the United States. If Canada was at war with the US, I think that it is unlikely that Canada would allow US citizens into its country.
50 dead bodies. 53 more wounded. The shooter calls before hand and vows his loyalty to ISIS. Has made threats in the past relating to Islamic Jihad. Has had associations in the past with known terrorist/suicide bomber. Your refusal to identify this as Islamic terrorism is a perfect example of political ideology trumping intellect and simple common sense.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-islamicstate-idUSKCN0YC0OG "A new message purporting to come from the spokesman of Islamic State calls on followers to launch attacks on the United States and Europe during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, which begins in early June." What month is it?
You'd have to define exactly who you are at war with and how you plan on screening people using that definition. Trump's ideas are ridiculous, as are many of the posters on this site on this topic. If religion was some big defining criteria then Catholics would have been segregated and banned from immigration centuries ago. I fully understand this situation. And I'll again ask the same question. What exactly has changed in US immigration policy the last 20-30 years ? Why are Trump and numerous posters on here claiming that it's an "open border" policy ? Is it not true that quite the opposite is true, that since 9/11 that US borders are more closed then ever ? Governments cannot operate on emotion and bluster. Laws and policy have to be fairly designed and not discriminate based on ethnicity, religion, skin colour. You cannot judge people based on the most evil factions of their group, and quite frankly many people are being grouped into groups they don't even belong to or believe in. It all gets pretty silly when Trump starts questioning the ability of the judge based on their parents birth place. How many on here would want their career or personal life judged on anything to do with their parents ? On this shooting, the shooter absolutely hated gay people. I am reminded that occasionally abortion clinic's in the US have had incidents because highly religious ( supposedly Christian ) shooters hated the people at the clinics. The fact 50+ people died is more reflective of the high powered weapons that are easily accessed in the US these days.
Please provide numbers/stats that illustrate the the US borders are more closed than ever. Show me a graph/chart. I'll be waiting. Probably for a long time. What are the gun laws in France? You clearly do not understand religion. If the followers of Islam emulate Muhammad the founder of the religion, what would that look like? Did Muhammad start wars? Did Muhammad marry girls under the age of 18? Terror have suspects use bombs. Are bombs readily available? Aren't bombs illegal? "Laws and policy have to be fairly designed and not discriminate based on ethnicity, religion, skin colour." Ethnicity? So if the US is at war with Russia, the US would have to allow Russians into the US that want to immigrate to the US during the war because the government cannot have laws or policies that discriminate based on ethnicity?
One thing is clear to me. People like Nine_Ender and conduit are not going to change their minds or admit any possibility that they might be wrong or that there is any merit on the other side. They prefer to sneer at people who disagree with them and disparage them and, in their own minds at least, demonstrate their moral superiority. In fairness, those of us on the other side aren't budging either. We just see the world in entirely different ways and it is almost like we are in parallel universes, except for the fact their moral preening puts us at grave risk. We have the opportunity at hand to resolve this once and for all. This election is truly a watershed. Trump should focus 100% on the immigration issue, despite the fact the media and Hillary will do their utmost to ignore it. Let this election be about the immigration issue to the exclusion of all other issues. We know Trump's position: build a wall, start deporting illegals in large numbers, suspend most muslim immigration and no muslim refugees. We know Hillary's position as well, basically continue to Bush/Obama policy of open borders, lax enforcement, no deportations, acceptance of economic refugees in defiance of the law and repeated interventions in the middle east, leading to more refugees. We know Trump sees islamic terrorism as a serious threat. Hillary will not use the term at all. The country is at a crossroads. Let the voters decide. Then afterwards, we need to think seriously about allowing those states which disagree fundamentally with the ensuing direction of the country to secede.
How did this happen if bombs are illegal? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings The 2004 Madrid train bombings (also known in Spain as 11-M) were nearly simultaneous, coordinated bombings against the Cercanías commuter train system of Madrid, Spain, on the morning of 11 March 2004 – three days before Spain's general elections. The explosions killed 192 people and injured around 2,000 __________________ How in the hell did this happen? Aren't bombs illegal in London? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings The 7 July 2005 London bombings, often referred to as 7/7, were a series of coordinated terrorist suicide bomb attacks incentral London which targeted civilians using the public transport system during the rush hour. On the morning of Thursday, 7 July 2005, four Islamist extremists separately detonated three bombs in quick succession aboard London Underground trains across the city and, later, a fourth on a double-decker bus in Tavistock Square. Fifty-two people were killed and over 700 more were injured in the attacks, Britain's worst terrorist incident since the 1988 bombing ofPan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, as well as the country's first ever Islamist suicide attack. _________________ Please explain this one. Bombs are illegal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks The 2011 Norway attacks, referred to in Norway as 22 July (Norwegian: 22. juli),[14] the date of the events, were two sequential lone wolf terrorist attacks by Anders Behring Breivik against the government, the civilian population, and a Workers' Youth League (AUF)-run summer camp. The attacks claimed a total of 77 lives.