Leverage in the 80's

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  1. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    the one Greek they didn’t understand.
    -Steve Black at Citigroup (or I guess Solomon at the time)
     
    #11     Jan 1, 2021
  2. taowave

    taowave

    Did you know Steve Black??

    He hired me at Smith Barney..

    Salomon was a very very rude awakening for Steve,Jamie and Sandy....

    I have really good stories on Solly bond arb dropping close to a billion when a billion wasn't an odd lot :)



     
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    #12     Jan 1, 2021
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  3. guru

    guru

    Nowadays it takes no leverage with TSLA or bitcoin :)
     
    #13     Jan 1, 2021
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  4. guru

    guru

    #14     Jan 1, 2021
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  5. MrRenev

    MrRenev

    Those are trash returns.

    If you have 1 year and a crystal ball and this is the best you can do you seriously suck.



    I know in the 80s there were mighty moves in FX & commodities so maybe leverage was less necessary, but I vaguely heard there were already big leverage accessible, as usual it's extremely hard to find as no one gives a fuck and history forgets, at best people will pretend they care because they think to pretend they care means they're not just in for the money and it will make them rich.
    I know (I think) Jesse Livermore sometimes used big leverage, and collaterized his boat to get more millions to get more leverage, but I don't know more.
     
    #15     Jan 1, 2021
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  6. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    I think the real leverage in the 80s was in the LBO space. Danaher was acquired in the 80s for 80mm (78 was debt). Now it’s a 50bn company or something.
     
    #16     Jan 1, 2021
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  7. I have been meaning to start a thread "The Anatomy of the Great Trading Fuckups" :D

    PS. I have seen people drop a yard (or 10, for that matter) and it's always entertaining in hindsight
     
    #17     Jan 1, 2021
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  8. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Who did you see drop 10? That would be very public.
     
    #18     Jan 1, 2021
  9. You know, the great hedge trade by the firm that starts with M :) I was sitting right next to the guys
     
    #19     Jan 1, 2021
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  10. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    that insurance thing cost 10?

    Even the other notorious trade that started with an M didn’t cost that much.
     
    #20     Jan 1, 2021