Let's think about the devil for a moment.....

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by themickey, Jul 9, 2023.

  1. themickey

    themickey

    Ex-Pastor Who Confessed to Murdering Girl Worked Across the U.S.
    By Giulia Carbonaro On 7/25/23
    https://www.newsweek.com/pastor-confesses-murder-david-zandstra-ca-pa-nj-texas-1815096

    A former pastor who had worked across California, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Texas confessed to murdering an 8-year-old girl in 1975 after new evidence emerged in the cold case.

    Gretchen Harrington, an 8-year-old from Marple Township, Pennsylvania, disappeared after leaving home for Bible camp on the morning of August 15, 1975, according to a statement by the Delaware County District Attorney's Office. Her skeletal remains were found two months later in Ridley Creek State Park, over seven miles from her home.

    David Zandstra, now 83 years old, was a pastor at the Trinity Church Chapel Christian Reform Church in Marple, one of the churches where children of the town went for their morning exercises. He was among those tasked with transporting the children between his church and The Reformed Presbyterian Church, where Harrington's father was a pastor.
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    Former pastor David Zandstra (L), 83, of Marietta, Georgia, has been arrested for his alleged role in the 8-year-old Gretchen Harrington's (R) 1975 disappearance and murder. Delaware County District Attorney's Office

    According to the Christian Reform Church's website, Zandstra was ordained in 1965 and worked in several of its churches across the country, including in Fairfield and San Diego, California, and Dallas, Texas. The New York Times and other news media have reported that Zandstra also worked in New Jersey between 1965 and 2005 when he retired.

    Fairfield Christian Reformed Church issued a statement following Zandstra's arrest, saying: "We recognize that we live in a broken and sinful world where violence can happen anywhere—even within our churches and by those we hold to the highest standards."

    While Zandstra was interviewed 50 years ago over Harrington's disappearance, he said he had not seen the girl and he was not investigated any further. But new testimonies linked to the case led to his confession and arrest on Monday, according to the Delaware County District Attorney's Office.

    Earlier this year, police interviewed a woman who claimed to have been best friends with one of Zandstra's daughters as a child. She testified to being groped by Zandstra during a sleepover with his daughter when she was 10. She also provided authorities with her diary from 1975 where she talked of "Mr. Z." being the possible kidnapper of Harrington after he had twice tried to kidnap another girl, as reported by NBC News.

    Detectives confronted Zandstra—who now lives in Georgia—with this testimony, and he confessed to having offered Harrington a ride on his green station wagon while she was on her way to Bible camp. He then brought her to a secluded spot and told her to take off her clothes. When she refused, he beat her to death. Zandstra then drove back to church.

    Zandstra has been charged with criminal homicide, first, second, and third-degree murder, kidnapping of a minor, and the possession of an instrument of crime.

    A law office representing Zandstra told NBC Philadelphia that it was aware of the charges but offered no comment.

    "David Zandstra is a monster. He is every parent's worst nightmare," Delco District Attorney Jack Stollsteimer told journalists on Monday, as reported by NBC Philadelphia. "He killed this poor 8-year-old girl he knew and who trusted him. And, then he acted as if he was a family friend, not only during her burial and the period after that, but for years."

    Harrington's family said in a statement reported by the New York Post: "It's difficult to express the emotions that we are feeling as we take one step closer to justice. Gretchen was only 8 years old when she was suddenly taken away from us on her way to church on Friday, August 15, 1975. If you met Gretchen, you were instantly her friend. She exuded kindness to all and was sweet and gentle."
     
    #31     Jul 25, 2023
  2. DblArrow

    DblArrow

    #32     Jul 26, 2023
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  3. smallfil

    smallfil

    The biggest hypocrites are on the left. "Do as I say, not as I do." Somehow, no matter what they do, no matter what crimes they commit, they are all saints and nobody has the right to criticize them or investigate them? ET trolls like to lecture us like they are all angels and their idols on the left in Congress can be the most corrupt but, the idiots look the other way. It is all about President Donald Trump. Comparing President Donald Trump to Joe Biden, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton, he is squeaky clean and the deep state have done everything to slander him, while looking the other way and ignore whatever Biden, Obama and Clinton has done. I believe there is a God that will render his judgment in due time for all that we have done in our lives. The no good politicians and our resident ET trolls will not get any exemptions. That you can take to the bank. Evil can never prevail because the laws of karma are so powerful, that even the most evil men get their just desserts. All it takes is a stroke, a heart attack or even a crazy kook to do you in. Your corrupt and evil ways will be done in a millisecond.
     
    #33     Jul 27, 2023
  4. Darc

    Darc

    ^^^ Hilarious. Tell us what you really think. As coherent as a SML post :D
     
    #34     Jul 27, 2023
  5. DblArrow

    DblArrow

    Obviously coherent enough for you to laugh at.

    If you disagree why not make a point. If there is not a obvious double standard between Biden and Trump make the case.
     
    #35     Jul 28, 2023
  6. themickey

    themickey

    LOL.
    And then what? Keep arguing, going around in circles because Lying Trump the messiah is so wonderful?
     
    #36     Jul 28, 2023
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  7. DblArrow

    DblArrow

    That is exactly what I would expect as an answer from you folks. Trump is no more the messiah than Biden. But your side, that is all tolerant, is so intolerant that its laughable.

    Make no argument (as in debate not fight) or point and call names. Fairly typical.
     
    #37     Jul 28, 2023
  8. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    I was given a couple of days ban for being openly hostile to Aquarian1's persistent bigotry. He had used the report button as conservatives often do when they don't want to face dissent and argue whether or not they for example, should take their medication. As some far left do the same, horseshoe theory they calls it. Possibly Snarkhund or Mercor was involved also as either has done the same and there was mention of more than one person complaining I was mean lately.

    But with Sinead O'Connor's suicide I got to think again, as I often do a about those who rummage through religeon which is an awful pile of old hay as a way to sustain hope. And hope matters, we don't last long without it.

    It made me ponder the idea of the devil leading bigots to small-hill bigotry like Aquarian1 expresses and my own flawed response to this, disappointed idealist resorting to scarcasm. The idea of "cloven hoof theory" as an allegory came to my mind and melted away as I was reminded of this sentiment and that I accepted long ago that the experiences of life tempering us are what it's all about. If there is an all about.

    "And once the storm is over, you won’t remember how you made it through, how you managed to survive. You won’t even be sure, whether the storm is really over. But one thing is certain. When you come out of the storm, you won’t be the same person who walked in. That’s what this storm’s all about." Haruki Murakami

    Kafka on the Shore (book)

    After the Storm' by Giovanni Segantini

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    #38     Jul 28, 2023
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  9. themickey

    themickey

    Biden makes no outlandish claims like idiot Trump continually does.
    "Trump has repeatedly claimed that if he were president, he could end the Russian war in Ukraine in 24 hours. The former president has also praised Russian President Vladimir Putin in the past, calling him a “genius” shortly after the invasion of Ukraine last year."
     
    #39     Jul 28, 2023
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  10. Darc

    Darc

    Even as a Child I remember watching Trump on The Donahue Show. At first I bought into it, then realized even as a Kid that something was "off" with Trump.

    Then we saw Trump's "misadventures" through the 80s, 90s and onto the Presidency.

    Every reasonable person knows Trump is a pathological Liar, Conman etc.

    You have to question the character of his Supporters, supporting a person of such poor character.

    If theres one good thing to come out of this, its that its "flushed out" and exposed those people of poor character who support and empower Trump's fraudulent and sociopathic behaviour.



    Funny, a discussion about The Devil and some "Trumpette" brings up Trump. Sort of appropriate :D
     
    #40     Jul 28, 2023
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