Lets talk variance

Discussion in 'Options' started by .sigma, Mar 14, 2020.

  1. .sigma

    .sigma

    Holy shxt, I just realized you are the infamous @sle

    Glad you are still here dropping gems into perpetuity, not going to lie, I've studied your posts many many times and still do on a daily basis. Thanks for all the knowledge man.
     
    #11     Mar 22, 2020
  2. .sigma

    .sigma

    Now i'm motivated to get a discussion cooking.

    Knowledge is power and I firmly believe understanding variance-swaps, vol swaps, gamma swaps etc will help the retail trader grasp what in the heck optionality is a bit better then not diving into it.

    "The correct measure of deviation is variance. Volatility should be considered a derivative of variance."

    I read a post where someone said if you want to bet on the direction of an underlying, a variance swap is the worst product to use. sle responded saying the opposite, that var-swaps
    are great at profiting directionally, and some of the biggest traders made fortunes doing just that.


    So var-swaps allow one to speculate on the magnitude of movement direct exposure.

    Its interesting to note how different instruments offer different degrees of freedom vol.

    @sle has liquidity for these products increased over the last few years? I'm assuming yes
    as money flow is at such a high velocity. I'm pretty sure one day var-swaps wont be OTC,
    and us retailers will be able to use them, also exotic options.

    profitAtMaturity = varianceNotional x (realixedVolatlity2 - strikeVolatility2)

    Profit is determined by the difference between the square of realized vol and the square of implied vol.
     
    #12     Mar 22, 2020
  3. Infamous? :D
    Sounds just like me. But you're welcome.

    I am heading to bed and will write something comprehensive tomorrow (no promises, sadly). The general idea is that if you can't trade variance swaps, understanding what variance players are doing will help you with a few things:
    (a) what delta hedging flows will be due to large positions in variance swaps
    (b) who and how will blow up when var swap positions go sour
    (c) how variance swap positions/flows filter into exchange-traded products such as SPX options and VIX futures
     
    #13     Mar 22, 2020
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  4. .sigma

    .sigma

    @Same Lazy Element dude of course you're infamous lol

    Anyone who is an avid ET lurker of the back-blocks looks forward to each post by @sle
     
    #14     Mar 22, 2020
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  5. .sigma

    .sigma

    Won't var-swaps also help the retailer understand the concept of volatility much clearer? I feel like knowing this knowledge could really help us out.
     
    #15     Mar 22, 2020
  6. ironchef

    ironchef

    Unless we have insider information, few retails are capable of spotting change before it happens, perhaps best strategy is after the pulse, study its behavior, how it decays, the frequencies and trade it, be it price, vol or variance. I probably shouldn't open my mouth and make a fool of myself here.
     
    #16     Mar 23, 2020
  7. .sigma

    .sigma

    I disagree on the insider info..

    Insider's show their hand by large order flow, its up to you and the tools/metrics you use to spot it IF that even pertains to your strategy, for me it doesn't.

    I like your point about the after-pulse. That might be more fascinating and tradeable than the huge move.

    Observing the simple phenomenon of earnings releases.
    Either spot magnifies or doesn't, and theres ways to gauge
    and position yourself strategically by looking at past data.

    I suggest reading @TheBigShort earnings journals, as he has
    a very unique and quantitative approach and it constantly
    refining his weaponry.

    Lets say spot is magnified, and price gaps down -17% on earnings
    for $XYZ, observings many instances, I'll notice a few ways price
    will react AFTER this huge move which I call the selling climax.
    The climax is usually followed by more selling pressure, which then
    "exhausts" itself, and a final low is completed.

    Now if we are picking bottoms here, I use a few indicators and data
    to see where I believe the bottom will be. Usually this exhaustive selling
    will stop abruptly at a major support/buying/voluminous price area.
    Price changes hands, and demand controls direction now. And price spikes up
    and will most likely fill the huge climax magnitude range, and fill the gap.

    I've seen this so many times and have been trading this set up for awhile.
    Its extremely hard, and no I am not picking exact bottoms because its
    not only difficult, I don't need too. I use vol metrics and volume by price
    to gauge where order flow is seeking current value.

    But this thread it about variance.

    Selling climax's are a form of variance right? Since vol and var are brothers of the same mother.
     
    #17     Mar 23, 2020
  8. tommcginnis

    tommcginnis

    Technically, volatility is more like an asexual/incestuous offspring of various variances itself. :confused::wtf:



    :D

    Sorry. Had to. An acknowledgement of those ETers whose family tree is more like a telephone pole.:wtf::rolleyes:
     
    #18     Mar 23, 2020
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  9. .sigma

    .sigma

    Actually, isn't variance the source itself? Vol is a derivative of variance, thus variance is the mother? lol
     
    #19     Mar 24, 2020
  10. ironchef

    ironchef

    I did. But most of the time I couldn't understand the logics or the calculations.
     
    #20     Mar 24, 2020