Let's put this fire out w/gasoline

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Cuddles, May 22, 2017.

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    #92     Jan 20, 2018
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    #94     Jan 20, 2018
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  8. piezoe

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    Actually there is a large amonut of circumstantial evidence available to the general public. Of course we don't have anything official from Mueller's investigation yet. Trump will fire Mueller before November in any case, likely very soon now, before Mueller has a chance to subpoena him to appear before a grand jury (its already certain that Trump will refuse to testify except remotely in written response to written questions. Firing Mueller won't stop the investigation , barring something very bizarre from the Republicans. In any case, Mueller's findings will be preserved for the next prosecutor to pick up where Mueller left off. Mueller's firing will just be one more piece of the obstruction pie. When Trump admitted he fired Comey because he was investigating possible election collusion with Russians that was the second pieces of pie. The first piece was when Trump tried to interfere with investigation of Flynn and asked for Cpomey's "loyalty", after clearing the room of witnesses. And of course there is the money laundering and tax fraud shoes yet to drop, and only Mueller's team and God know what else. We have the Nunes report coming out momentarily. To which the House Democrats may have no choice but to respond with the rest of the picture, just as Feinstein was compelled to do when Grassley wouldn't release the testimony before the Senate Committee. Nunes has cherry picked, so I doubt the House Democrats are going to let him get away with it.

    Everything will be determined by the November election, either Trump will be protected by Republicans, or he will be impeached depending on the election outcome. If he is impeached, he could be convicted. He could even be indicted later and serve jail time, after Pence is out of office if a Democrat is in the White House.. (I don't think it's possible for Pence to issue a blanket pardon for crimes not yet proven.) So there are manifold possibilities here. Way too soon to draw firm conclusions. . It is going to get very interesting.
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    I agree with jem. You can't get "obstruction to stick" without an underlying crime.
     
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    #98     Jan 31, 2018
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    #99     Jan 31, 2018
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    The latest witness to be called for an interview about the episode was Mark Corallo, who served as a spokesman for Mr. Trump’s legal team before resigning in July. Mr. Corallo received an interview request last week from the special counsel and has agreed to the interview, according to three people with knowledge of the request.

    Mr. Corallo is planning to tell Mr. Mueller about a previously undisclosed conference call with Mr. Trump and Hope Hicks, the White House communications director, according to the three people. Mr. Corallo planned to tell investigators that Ms. Hicks said during the call that emails written by Donald Trump Jr. before the Trump Tower meeting — in which the younger Mr. Trump said he was eager to receive political dirt about Mrs. Clinton from the Russians — “will never get out.” That left Mr. Corallo with concerns that Ms. Hicks could be contemplating obstructing justice, the people said

    In a statement on Wednesday, a lawyer for Ms. Hicks strongly denied Mr. Corallo’s allegations.

    The conference call with the president, Mr. Corallo and Ms. Hicks took place the next morning, and what transpired on the call is a matter of dispute.

    In Mr. Corallo’s account — which he provided contemporaneously to three colleagues who later gave it to The Times — he told both Mr. Trump and Ms. Hicks that the statement drafted aboard Air Force One would backfire because documents would eventually surface showing that the meeting had been set up for the Trump campaign to get political dirt about Mrs. Clinton from the Russians.

    According to his account, Ms. Hicks responded that the emails “will never get out” because only a few people had access to them. Mr. Corallo, who worked as a Justice Department spokesman during the George W. Bush administration, told colleagues he was alarmed not only by what Ms. Hicks had said — either she was being naïve or was suggesting that the emails could be withheld from investigators — but also that she had said it in front of the president without a lawyer on the phone and that the conversation could not be protected by attorney-client privilege.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/us/politics/trump-russia-hope-hicks-mueller.html

    They were literally doing what they accused Clinton of doing.
     
    #100     Jan 31, 2018
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