Let it Rip - Don't argue with anti-vaxx, snakeoil peddling MAGAtards

Discussion in 'Politics' started by exGOPer, Jul 31, 2021.

  1. LacesOut

    LacesOut

    Are you saying that the Moderna SEC filing is incorrect?
    Have you ever studied anything related to DNA other than 9th grade biology? Of course not.
    Gene therapy is a broad area. Your brain is what’s limited.
     
    #111     Aug 16, 2021
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Facts matter. You should educate yourself.

    Fact Check-mRNA vaccines are distinct from gene therapy, which alters recipient’s genes
    https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...y-which-alters-recipients-genes-idUSL1N2PH16N

    Vaccines that use mRNA technology are not gene therapy because they do not alter your genes, experts have told Reuters after contrary claims were posted online.


    Thousands of social media users have shared such posts since the rollout of COVID-19 vaccines began (here) – and have continued to do so through August.

    “It’s not a vaccine. It’s gene therapy!” wrote one Facebook user on Aug. 9, noting that gene therapy “manipulates genetic code” (here and here).

    Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna have both developed shots that use a piece of genetic code from SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, to prompt an immune response in recipients (here). However, experts told Reuters that this is not the same as gene therapy.

    “As mRNA is genetic material, mRNA vaccines can be looked at as a genetic-based therapy, but they are classified as vaccines and are not designed to alter your genes,” said Dr Adam Taylor, a virologist and research fellow at the Menzies Health Institute, Queensland, Griffith University.

    “Gene therapy, in the classical sense, involves making deliberate changes to a patient’s DNA in order to treat or cure them. mRNA vaccines will not enter a cell’s nucleus that houses your DNA genome. There is zero risk of these vaccines integrating into our own genome or altering our genetic makeup.”

    Taylor explained that mRNA enters cells shortly after vaccination and instructs them to create a SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, prompting the immune response.

    He added that unlike gene therapy, mRNA vaccines are then “rapidly degraded” by the body.

    “In fact, because mRNA is degraded so quickly chemical modifications can be made to mRNA vaccines to make them a little more stable than regular mRNA.”

    Gene therapy, on the other hand, involves a process whereby an individual’s genetic makeup is deliberately modified to cure or treat a specific genetic condition (here).

    It can be done in several ways, such as replacing a disease-causing gene with a healthy alternative, disabling a disease-causing gene or introducing a new gene to help treat a disease, according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) (here).

    “If we suffer from an inherited blood disease then the defect in our genes can be corrected in blood cells and then we can be cured,” said David Schaffer, professor of Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering and Director of the Berkeley Stem Cell Center at the University of California, Berkeley, in an email to Reuters.

    “In most cases, the DNA is therapeutic because it encodes a mRNA, which encodes a protein that has a beneficial effect on a patient. So, if someone has a disease where the gene encoding an important protein is mutated - such as hemophilia, cystic fibrosis, retinitis pigments - then it can be possible to deliver the DNA encoding the correct copy of that protein in order to treat the disease.”

    He added: “Because DNA has the potential to persist in the cells of a patient for years, this raises the possibility of a single gene therapy treatment resulting in years of therapeutic benefit.”

    Moderna, which has developed one of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines used across the world, explained in a fact sheet that mRNA and gene therapy take “fundamentally different” approaches.

    “Gene therapy and gene editing alter the original genetic information each cell carries,” the company writes. “The goal is to produce a permanent fix to the underlying genetic problem by changing the defective gene. Moderna is taking a different approach to address the underlying cause of MMA and other diseases. mRNA transfers the instructions stored in DNA to make the proteins required in every living cell. Our approach aims to help the body make its own missing or defective protein” (www.modernatx.com/about-mrna).

    Reuters has in the past debunked claims that COVID-19 vaccines can genetically modify humans here and here .


    VERDICT
    Missing context. Scientists told Reuters that while mRNA vaccines can be considered “genetic-based therapy” because they use genetic code from COVID-19, they are not technically gene therapy. This is because the mRNA does not change the body’s genetic makeup.
     
    #112     Aug 16, 2021
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  3. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    Moderna filing says nothing about the mRNA vaccine, it only talks about OLD STATUS of mRNA tech BEFORE the breakthrough vaccine.

    What has 9th grade biology got to do with mRNA tech that was perfected in the last year?

    Your brain is mush from all the bullshit you have been feeding it.
     
    #113     Aug 16, 2021
  4. LacesOut

    LacesOut

    And changing the body’s DNA isn’t the only definition of gene therapy.
    Jesus you nitwits keep going back to it.
    They aren’t vaccines either.
    They won’t generate the WHO’s new definition of herd immunity, either.
     
    #114     Aug 16, 2021
  5. LacesOut

    LacesOut

    Perfected! LOL. NOT EVEN A VACCINE this gene therapeutic…line up for your booster in your cock…or your clit?
     
    #115     Aug 16, 2021
  6. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    So where is the scientific paper to prove your conspiratard assertions? Or talking out of the ass yet again?

    Post the paper Mr.Science
     
    #116     Aug 17, 2021
  7. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    NBC News: “With Covid-19 surging across the state, Texas has requested five mortuary trailers from the federal government in anticipation of an influx of dead bodies.”

    @LacesOut Texas is doing fine?
     
    #117     Aug 17, 2021
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  8. LacesOut

    LacesOut

    The same place where the 40 ivm studies are. For you it’s in the ‘I don’t understand science’ pile.
     
    #118     Aug 17, 2021
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    You posting information to fake Ivermectin studies that have been withdrawn for being completely fabricated.... does not really prove anything.
     
    #119     Aug 17, 2021

  10. This Alabama doctor has the right approach.....although he should make the final date sooner.

    'No conspiracy theories, no excuses': Alabama physician tells patients to get vaccinated or find a new doctor

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    An Alabama doctor announced he would stop seeing unvaccinated patients -- and says he saw immediate results.

    Dr. Jason Valentine, a physician at Diagnostic and Medical Clinic Infirmary Health in Mobile, posted a photo of himself on Facebook next to a sign announcing his new policy, which will begin effective Oct. 1, reported AL.com.

    "First day of these signs in my rooms," he posted on Facebook. "All 3 unvaccinated patients on my schedule asked where they could get their vaccine today. No conspiracy theories, no excuses. Just where do I go. If they asked why, I told them covid is a miserable way to die and I can't watch them die like that."

    Valentine said he was mailing a letter to patients explaining his decision and posted a copy online.

    "We do not yet have any great treatments for severe disease, but we do have great prevention with vaccines," he wrote. "Unfortunately, many have declined to take the vaccine, and some end up severely ill or dead. I cannot and will not force anyone to take the vaccine, but I also cannot continue to watch my patients suffer and die from an eminently preventable disease."
     
    #120     Aug 17, 2021
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