Learning to read Price Action with P&F Charting

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by HolyGrail, Mar 22, 2008.

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    InvestorRT should have everything you need. The things that aren't in should are in the works (at least the things I consider essential)...I haven't seen any mention those things in this thread...so I don't think you will miss them just yet. :)

    Oh I should have said that IRT is using tick data, which is ideal. Historical data is converted into tick data (the current method could be refined IMO but perhaps it will be at some point...trying to get it that way).
     
    #651     May 6, 2008
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    One box reversal charts are typically traded a bit different than 3 box reversal charts...emphasis being on fulcrums and the like.
     
    #652     May 6, 2008
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    you stumbled onto my charts eh?

    what sort of questions do you have, I can tell you exactly how I traded them since they are my charts :)
     
    #653     May 6, 2008
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    I've used them, they are excellent (one of the best retail brokers out there IMO and masters of options). It is unfortunate they do not have P&F charts.
     
    #654     May 6, 2008
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    ooops, guess I should have read further before replying to things
     
    #655     May 6, 2008
  6. Absolutely not. Please continue. I only meant my contributions will be limited from this point forward.
     
    #656     May 6, 2008
  7. byzantium

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    Hello HolyGrail,

    Like many who have written on this thread, I'd like to offer my thanks for your contribution. Although it is probably a little too soon to tell for certain, so far using PnF charts has made a very significant difference to my trading.

    A couple of comments:

    1. Helps me know when not to trade. It is easier to see when the markets are not moving enough for momentum / breakout style trading. I have MUCH smaller drawdowns on bad days.

    2. Helps me clearly identify the higher probablility trades. It's helped me push my win ratio from the low 60s% to mid 70%, which is the difference between a lot of frustration, and decent gains most nights.

    3. It's helped my confidence and discipline because the rules are easier to apply.

    4. Finally, the boxes cut down on the market noise, especially because I trade the HSI a lot.

    I mainly trade the asian markets as I live on the east coast and have a day job. Between 9 and 10:30 the HSI and SPI offer pretty good trading. Tonight was a good example. The triangle that broke to the downside around 11pm est was a thing of beauty. More than 300 pts in around 30 minutes (~usd 2k / contract). :)

    I just want to say I'm very grateful for turning me on to PnF charts.

    Sincerely, b
     
    #657     May 8, 2008
  8. byzantium,

    Would you be able to share your settings on your P&F chart for intraday trading of the Asian markets? Not your trading setups, just your settings for displaying the P&F intraday. If not no problem.

    Thanks in advance.

    John
     
    #658     May 9, 2008
  9. I agree totally with your comments. The difference before pnf and after was like night and day for me. I hope it can do the same for you.
     
    #659     May 9, 2008
  10. yayt

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    Hey all,
    A recent trade I made (forgot to post about it when I was thinking about it) was CMI when it was at 58. I closed a couple days ago when it was at 69 (got pissed when it kept going up to 70 but happy now, haha)

    The problem is, the signal came a couple days before its earnings came out, and while I knew this because I looked into the company and did some research before I went in, I thought it'd be helpful to warn people when holding onto longer term P&F based positions that news events (that you can know about in advance) may cause a P&F chart to fail you (like if earnings were TERRIBLE, compared to market expectations).

    Anyway, other trades I made around the same time were long NE, IBN, COH, CELG. These are either underwater or about breakeven, but more than offset by CMI.

    With regards to position trading, does it seem feasibly to take the private equity approach, and hope for lots of breakevens/slight losses and 1 or 2 homeruns?

    Ideally, I would like to use P&F to do position trading which are less stressful and time consuming than intraday trades.
     
    #660     May 9, 2008