Learning to read Price Action with P&F Charting

Discussion in 'Strategy Building' started by HolyGrail, Mar 22, 2008.

  1. MT is another strong stock with great relative strength. It still doesn't fit my personal critera yet, but that only has meaning to me.

    What I don't like about it is that an entry here would force me to place my stop at 73. Way too much risk at this point.
     
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    #481     Apr 6, 2008
  2. yayt

    yayt

    very true; both of these entries were based on intra-day breakouts, and I liked the longer-term movement of these stocks so I pulled the trigger.

    is this not a reliable way to enter these stocks?

    for now I'm just stepping into the water, but I'm thinking of trading intraday with ~5 ATM contracts and position trading with 1-2 contracts

    For intra-day I'm looking at triple, quadruple top breakouts/breakdowns on 25 cent box size, and triple/quadruple top breakouts/breakdowns on 1 dollar box size
     
    #482     Apr 6, 2008
  3. longer term chart might be of some use
     
    #483     Apr 6, 2008
  4. yayt

    yayt

    Holy Grail, what do you think?
    Both of these entries were based on intra-day breakouts, and so my MT stop is 82.50 and my XTO stop is 62.50
    I suppose since my entries were intra-day my exit should be as well?
     
    #484     Apr 6, 2008
  5. I would trail it and ride it as long as you can. Especially mt which has had a nice straight up run.
     
    #485     Apr 6, 2008
  6. blueone

    blueone

    holygrail

    great thread thanks for your efforts, learning some new ideas even though I always use pnf as a basis for my trading. On XTO ( using stockcharts daily) I have found entering early, before a double top break is dangerous, xto reminds me of my last before the break trade CMED, I entered around 57.50 only to be stopped out on the next colum of ooo's. I know it's obvious after the fact but at the time CMED looked and felt unstoppable. Anyways my rule is wait for confirmation to lower your risk then find a corrlated stock and buy otm put , sort of a modified pair trade in case things go horribly wrong ( again reducing the risk )you give up some profit buying put/call in opposite direction but my trading record over the years is spotted with occasional heavy losses right through my stops.

    my 2 cents:)
     
    #486     Apr 6, 2008
  7. yayt

    yayt

    Good advice Holy Grail, and dentist/blue, and everyone else

    What do you guys think of increasing commitment after, say, a pullback of X% as long as the longer term trend is still intact?
    The only thing is that this would obviously increase my cost basis and if (please no) it gapped down I would be a lot more exposed.

    For example, I got in at 83 and saw a high of 86, if it were to get to 85 tomorrow on another intra-day breakout, do you think it would be too risky to get onto another contract?

    Obviously these 1-2 contracts are small potatoes but after some practice trading the P&F charts I'd like to increase size.

    I realize that everyone has different trading styles but I value all your inputs
     
    #487     Apr 6, 2008
  8. I have no problem adding on a pullback as long as it is done with less contracts than your original purchase.
     
    #488     Apr 6, 2008
  9. Sierra Charts will soon have P&F charts with the "x's" and "o's".
     
    #489     Apr 7, 2008
  10. blueone

    blueone

    how soon?
     
    #490     Apr 7, 2008