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Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Apr 24, 2020.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    China's COVID vaccines are completely worthless... These countries who thought they were safe because they were vaccinated and then opened up.... are paying the price.

    China's COVID-19 vaccines don't appear to be effective at preventing outbreaks in the real world
    https://theweek.com/china/1001165/c...o-be-effective-in-preventing-outbreaks-in-the

    The World Health Organization recently granted emergency use approval to China's Sinopharm and Sinovac COVID-19 vaccines, but the countries that have put the Chinese-made vaccines in the arms of their residents are reporting mixed results, at best.

    "In the Seychelles, Chile, and Uruguay, all of whom have used Sinopharm or ... Sinovac in their mass vaccination efforts, cases have surged even as doses were given out," The Washington Post reports. And in Bahrain, one of the first countries to embrace the Sinopharm shot, The Wall Street Journal adds, "daily COVID-19 deaths have leapt to 12 per million people in recent weeks — an outbreak nearly five times more lethal than India's — prompting the island nation's government to shut down shopping malls and restaurants in an effort to limit the spread."

    Dr. Waleed Khalifa al Manea, Bahrain's undersecretary of health, told the Journal that the recent upsurge in cases "came mainly from family gatherings — we had Ramadan, which is a very social event in Bahrain," but he also said the country is urging older people and those with chronic illness to get a six-month booster shot with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. Bahrain and the neighboring United Arab Emirates started offering booster shots in late May "after studies showed that some of those vaccinated had not developed sufficient antibodies," the Post reports.

    "In Dubai, the most populous of the seven members of the UAE, the emirate's health authorities have also quietly begun revaccinating with Pfizer-BioNTech those residents who had been fully inoculated with Sinopharm," the Journal reports.

    "Despite the concern about Sinopharm's effectiveness, experts say the vaccine still works as intended in most cases and that it could play a significant role in shortages of vaccine doses around the world," the Post reports. The WHO says it has a low level of confidence in the vaccine's effectiveness in older people, due to a lack of data.

    A peer-reviewed study published May 26 found the Sinopharm vaccine was 78 percent effective against symptomatic illness, but the trial participants were mostly healthy young men, the Journal reports. "In a separate, unpublished, real-world study of Sinopharm in Serbia, 29 percent of 150 participants were found to have zero antibodies against the virus three months after they received the first of two shots of the vaccine. The average age of the people who participated in the Serbian study was higher than 65."
     
    #1141     Jun 5, 2021
  2. userque

    userque

    Odd. Thought they would have just stolen the pfizer and moderna formulas...as usual.
     
    #1142     Jun 5, 2021
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    You would think that the country responsible for COVID widely spreading across the planet would do a better job at creating a vaccine.
     
    #1143     Jun 5, 2021
  4. userque

    userque

    I concluded long ago that it came from a Wuhan lab. IMO, that's why they were so quick to build hospital capacity, before the numbers were in on exactly how deadly the virus actually was.

    While that was, and is, my opinion. Opinions aren't necessarily enough to make conclusions. More evidence is needed for that, imo.

    They assumed, imo, that the virus was more deadly than it was. And if they were weaponizing it, they would have had the mindset that a vaccine would be ineffective ... otherwise, it wouldn't have been such a great weapon--reflecting badly on the lab.

    So they half-assed vaccine development, and maybe had their 'B' team working on the vaccine; while the smartest scientist they had worked on how to contain it.

    The lab couldn't have it both ways. Either they were developing an effective bio-weapon; or their bioweapon was a dud, and could be defeated with vaccines in a matter of months. The lab would obviously internally present the case that no one, including the US, could make an effective vaccine.

    They provided the virus genome asap, just so that the world could give it it's best shot, and confirm their work.

    They also let their people travel the world before locking down. They didn't want to be the only nation on the planet wiped out, or devested by their weapon.

    Etc.

    The above are merely my opinions.
     
    #1144     Jun 5, 2021
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    I stated a long time ago that there is a possibility that COVID-19 was released from a lab and posted articles supporting this -- but evidence is needed before any conclusions can be made.

    I believe that any release from a lab was an inadvertent release due to sloppy handling procedures rather than anything deliberate. (IMO). Most likely they were studying a coronavirus virus that came from bats and did a poor job in the their virus handling procedures.

    I do not believe that any type of "Gain of Function" or weaponization research was being done with the coronavirus in a Chinese lab. First no realistic evidence has been found by mainstream experts studying COVID-19 of unnatural manipulation. Second -- there are much better viruses to investigate for weaponization purposes -- viruses which as a baseline for more infectious and deadly.

    And yes.. .this is all my opinion.
     
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    #1145     Jun 5, 2021
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  6. Load these vaccines up and ship em out to some country that needs them. I dont need to hear about every underutilized batch because that is the phase we are moving into it.

    But Biden and company should not be coming back saying there are units that are going to waste just because the clock ran out. Some of that was acceptable in the first few weeks whether under Trump or Biden because there were start-up pains. Just take care of it. Enough time has passed to work out those problems.

    You can't be holding on to vaccine just in hope that people will be demanding it because they should be demanding it. That does not end well. Send it to Canada or Mexico or whereever and hold enough to fill what the weekly demand rate looks like.

    J&J vaccine drive stalls out in U.S after safety pause
    https://www.reuters.com/business/he...-stalls-out-us-after-safety-pause-2021-06-07/
     
    #1146     Jun 7, 2021
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  7. Actually this is a perfect virus to weaponize. Just deadly enough to rock the boat without sinking it. Gives you an edge in the long game war against your opponents and China is very much the long game player.
     
    #1147     Jun 8, 2021
  8. 7 months in and team biden still can't work out simple logistics of proper distribution. Trump administration leaves him with a save the nation Christmas present and they botch it. Can you imagine the nightmare scenario of this goofball administration trying to manage the chaos had team Trump not fast tracked the vaccine?
     
    #1148     Jun 8, 2021
  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    lol, you tell yourself that as Biden has basically vaccinated everyone that wants a vaccine
     
    #1149     Jun 8, 2021
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Seeing that most states including North Carolina are not taking in new vaccine doses because there is no demand -- it is hard to say there is a distribution problem. There is a demand problem due to anti-vax nonsense promoted by Trumpers.
     
    #1150     Jun 8, 2021