Larry Williams Million Dollar Challenge

Discussion in 'Index Futures' started by clarodina, Feb 19, 2008.

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  1. Fortunately, I do not need a market letter, but your sentiment is appreciated.

    Is this really who and what you are? Targeting those who merely seek clarity from someone who charges thousands of dollars for his "knowledge?" What is it that you are afraid of? Why the need to come to the defense of the greatest trader in all the land? In the opaque world of market vendors, why do you find comfort in a cloak?

    Forgive me, Oldtrader, but you are not an independent thinking trader. You are an adherent, an apostle. A devotee.
     
    #351     Sep 2, 2009
  2. Thunderdog, why do you even care? Did you pay him money and were not satisfied with what he offered?

    I mean honestly, why do you care so much?
     
    #352     Sep 2, 2009
  3. No. We were having an exchange. A debate. You were for a belief and I was against it. If you do not wish for someone to disagree with you, then you should not engage in debates. Someone disagreeing with you is not an insult in and of itself. Your interpreting someone's doubt in the veracity of your own beliefs as an insult suggests a weak foundation, easily threatened.
     
    #353     Sep 2, 2009
  4. You're "merely seeking clarity"? C'mon. You are, and have been for years, on a mission to destroy. He offered you his trades for the last year I believe, that would have given you clarity. Evidently you turned that down.

    By the way, I don't know Williams, never subscribed, never been to a seminar, never read a book. What I'm doing here is trying to provide some balance to your one-sided diatribe.

    OldTrader
     
    #354     Sep 2, 2009
  5. No, I never spent a dime on Larry. However, I received mailings years ago, probably because of the broker I had been using or maybe the mailing list of a few periodicals I had subscribed to at that time. I did, however, spend a lot of money on what must be about 130 books or so on the markets over the last dozen years. Most were worthless, some were not. (I looked carefully through a few of Larry's books in bookstores and deemed them to be in the former category, thereby saving myself some money.)

    Why do I do it? To be perfectly candid with you, I do it because I think it is the right thing to do. After reading Gallacher's book in the mid-90s and doing a bit of my own investigating some years later just for the heck of it, it just makes me feel good. As I mentioned earlier, I don't believe in karma. But I do believe in doing the right thing. Truth be told, I expected better from a few of Larry's apologists here, but look at the intellectual horsepower of the typical Larry enthusiast in this thread and others. And then judge for yourself.

    I'm fairly certain that I didn't change anyone's mind. But it was a cleansing exercise. :)
     
    #355     Sep 2, 2009
  6. If you know absolutely nothing about him, then maybe you should excuse yourself from this exchange and stop discussing what you admittedly know nothing about. I'm just saying.
     
    #356     Sep 2, 2009

  7. Hello First Time Post Wonder,


    So you traded the S&P and made money ?


    Let's see how well your "guru" did :


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    DOWN 32.36 points


    YOU PROBABLY DID THE OPPOSITE FROM HIM OR YOU MIXING UP WITH ANOTHER L.W.


    OR IS IT YOU L.W ? Nah, you wouldn't be that stupid...LOL
     
    #357     Sep 2, 2009
  8. I didn't say I knew nothing about him. I said I didn't know him, hadn't read his books, subscribed, attended a seminar. I do know about some of his indicators. I've read articles about him. Looked at his website, read the detractors, etc etc. Williams has been around a long time...so have I.

    Next time try reading.

    OldTrader
     
    #358     Sep 2, 2009
  9. Fair enough. I promise I will if you give thinking a try. :)
     
    #359     Sep 2, 2009

  10. His "most accomplished" results certainly do


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    LW : 111 points


    I had a look at all the ES systems offered by the broker striker.com (specialist in automated systems) for the same period or less
    They post actual results, not hypothetical fluff for their systems, you only have to register to see those.

    clean record of broker Striker
    http://www.nfa.futures.org/basicnet/Details.aspx?entityid=0277685&rn=Y


    Brigade ES : june 2008 - aug 2009 : 391.53 points

    Archer ES : jan 2008 - aug 2009 : 159.66 points

    Battalion ES : jan 2008 - aug 2009 : 201.91 points

    Charge Indices ES :jan 2008 - aug 2009 : 390.91 points

    Compass ES : jan 2008 - aug 2009 : 196.49 points

    Countertrend ES : dec 2008 - aug 2009 : 189.32 points

    Earlybird ES : march 2008 - aug 2009 : 269.9 points

    GINA ES : may 2009 - aug 2009 : 178 points !!!!!

    Impetus ES : jan 2008 - aug 2009 : 226.24 points

    LAXMI ES : sept 2008 - aug 2009 : 169.25 points

    RAM ES : aug 2008 - aug 2009 : 168 points

    Saturn ES : sept 2008 - aug 2009 : 295 points




    12 out of the 28 ES systems or 42 % make more points than our most accomplished trader...



    P.S. And we are still waiting for his "most accomplished" 40 year long track record (Please, include the blow-up's)
     
    #360     Sep 2, 2009
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