large study finds that (hydroxy)chloroquine killing more than it "cures"

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  1. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    That paragraph doesn't in anyway ruin anything. That paragraph is the propaganda.
     
    #31     May 29, 2020
  2. Wallet

    Wallet

    Big Pharma to the rescue. But first......
     
    #32     May 29, 2020
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  3. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    Furthermore the study states, "The registry comprised data from 671 hospitals in six continents. We included patients hospitalised between Dec 20, 2019, and April 14, 2020, with a positive laboratory finding for SARS-CoV-2."

    It was published on May 22, 2020. If you believe that they were able to obtain data from 671 hospitals in 671 countries in that time frame, you are completely and totally ignorant with respect to privacy laws and what it takes to get data from a hospital. It is highly unlikely. The odds are probably better to win the lottery. It would take a long time to get approval from all of the ethics boards if it ever happened. Apparently, many people are blissfully unaware that hospitals don't just hand over data. There are all kinds of hoops, obstacles, laws, rules, and regulations to obtain hospital data.
     
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    #33     May 29, 2020
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    You do realize that nearly every country has a public health organization (like out CDC) which is collecting this COVID-19 information from every hospital and makes it available to qualified scientific organizations for studies.

    From a personal privacy point of view -- all they are required to do is scrub the names. Ages, gender, and treatment utilized can all be provided in the files.

    Why do you think that Australia was disputing the data that Australia provided to them.
     
    #34     May 29, 2020
  5. Wallet

    Wallet

    Paul Craig Roberts Questions The Campaign Against HCQ

    This article is limited to the campaign against HCQ. HCQ—hydroxychloroquine—has been in use for 65 years for the prevention or treatment of malaria, lupus, and rheumatoid arthritis. It is officially labeled a safe drug. Many doctors treating Covid patients have found and reported HCQ, when used early enough together with zinc and the antibiotic azithromycin to be an effective and safe treatment.

    I have reported and made available many of the reports of HCQ’s efficacy and safety. See for example:

    Despite 65 years of safe use, HCQ is alleged to be dangerous and to cause heart attacks. Its use is officially approved only for “adolescent and adult patients hospitalized with COVID-19.” Generally, by the time a patient is hospitalized the virus has progressed to a later stage in which treatment is less successful. Studies of HCQ’s effectiveness, such as the VA one and apparently the more recent one reported in The Lancet, are limited to later stage hospitalized patients and seem to exclude the essential zinc component of the HCQ treatment. In other words, the studies seem to be designed to exclude from official approval the treatment that doctors have found most effective. It is not easy for a layperson to know what the studies actually say as the media report the studies in an anti-Trump manner. For the media, what is most important is criticism of Trump, not the effectiveness of a treatment.

    In contrast, the untested investigational antiviral drug, Remdesivir, which has no record of safe use and is extraordinarily expensive compared to HCQ, has been given the same clearence for use. The media is not interested in the effectiveness and safety, or lack of, of this new and untested drug. Trump isn’t taking it, and it is a potential profit-maker for Big Pharma. If Remdesivir fails, the failure will be used to dispose of the hope for cures and to focus on vaccination.
    ....................

    The Lancet study was a rush job as it was essential for Big Pharma to prevent the spread of the HCQ treatment and awareness of its safety and effectiveness. The study’s authors completed the data collection around the middle of April and the study was published on May 22. As soon as it appeared, it was used to close down the World Health Organization’s clinical trial of hydoxychloroquine in coronavirus patients citing safety concerns. Most likely, the trial was aborted in order to prevent an official agency from finding out that HCQ worked.




    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/paul-craig-roberts-questions-campaign-against-hcq
     
    #35     May 29, 2020
  6. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

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    #36     May 29, 2020
  7. You convinced me. I think you should take it.
     
    #37     May 30, 2020
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  8. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    Nobody tell them that HCQ is made by big pharma and Sanofi selling Plaquenil are making a fuck ton of money from it or their conspiracy will look stupid.

    95.75% of the world not being American, they are clearly only thinking about squandering the potential to save themselves and their mothers, fathers to interfere in US domestic elections.

    He should take it. I hear its an anti-ionophore for cyanide, all the Trump supporters are taking both to show how powerful it is.
     
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    #38     May 30, 2020
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  9. Wallet

    Wallet

    The Mysterious Missing Link - Anti-Malaria Drug & Zinc

    American infectious disease specialist Joseph Rahimian explained that, in relation to Covid-19, zinc ‘does the heavy lifting and is the primary substance attacking the pathogen’. HCQ is said to work as a delivery systemfor zinc in fighting coronavirus.

    Ironically, the Lancet study came out at the same time as it was reported that India’s premier health body had expanded use of HCQ as a preventive for key workers following three studies showing positive results.

    Conflicting reports and political axe-grinding have thickened the fog of war on this, but we know a number of things:

    1. HCQ has been around for decades and is a ‘safe’ treatment for malaria and other conditions including lupus and arthritis (as the BBC has acknowledged).

    2. Many doctors (and India) use HCQ as a preventive measure, as President Trump is now doing. A survey of doctors by a leading American physician staffing firm found that 65 per cent would give HCQ to their own family as a prevention or treatment. The UK is now conducting trials into whether HCQ can help prevent Covid-19. Results are not expected before the end of the year, although there will be results sooner from similar trials in the US.

    3. International experience suggests HCQ can be effective in tackling Covid. Reports from France, Italy and Spain point to positive results from the use of HCQ, while a number of other countries are seeing success including Turkey, Costa Rica, Algeria, Belgium and Bahrain. This month a Shanghai-based doctor reported that, in China, a combination of zinc, hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin ‘has been able to save coronavirus patients’.

    4. Many prominent Americans are taking HCQ to treat Covid-19 (and recovering) even as opponents attack President Trump for following the lead of many doctors. Hall of Fame rock star David Bryan, best known as the keyboardist for Bon Jovi, tested positive and was treated with HCQ, among other things. By late April, he was said to have recovered. Former Democratic presidential candidate Amy Klobuchar has now admitted her husband was treated with HCQ after he contracted coronavirus. After his rapid recovery, Senator Klobuchar said (through gritted teeth): ‘I believe he did briefly take that drug.’
    Sadly it doesn’t seem to be the priority of most mainstream journalists, and some in the scientific community, to report the facts on HCQ in a responsible manner. As political commentator Scott Adams recently pointed out, the corporate news (CNN, Fox News etc) has no credibility when it comes to reporting on pharmaceuticals. In this context, this may be partly due to politics, but it is also a result of their financial stake in drug advertising.

    With regard to reporting of the Lancet’s finding about increased deaths, Adams asked whether this should be seen as a surprise ‘given that we know the HCQ can have some heart issues with people who already have heart issues. Do [elderly people who are dying from coronavirus] have strong hearts? Probably not’.

    He added:

    ‘What they don’t do on CNN is mention that if you don’t test it with the zinc [then] I’m not sure that you’ve really tested the thing that has the most promise. Where is that [test]?’

    He has a point. A number of doctors say zinc is essential.

    California emergency physician Dr Anthony Cardillo said during a local television interview:

    ‘[HCQ] really only works in conjunction with zinc. Every patient I have prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within eight to twelve hours they were basically symptom-free and so clinically I am seeing a resolution.’

    This frontline experience was backed up by a study by the New York University Grossman School of Medicine published this month. It found that those receiving the triple-drug combination (HCQ, with azithromycin and, crucially, zinc) ‘were 44 per cent less likely to die, compared with the double-drug combination (i.e. without zinc)’.

    As the study notes:

    ‘This study provides the first in vivo evidence that zinc sulfate in combination with hydroxychloroquine may play a role in therapeutic management for Covid-19.’

    The above makes the question of why zinc was not used in the Lancet study more baffling. And why don’t the media note that the combination of zinc and HCQ is crucial?

    As Scott Adams put it:

    When they say the President is taking this drug that is killing people . . . it is not true. It is basically a lie . . . Both Fox News and CNN are doing something is completely illegitimate . . . I don’t know any reason you would do that other than to mislead.’

    Sadly, with a Presidential election approaching, it’s doubtful whether the barrage of fake news over this treatment will be replaced by professional reporting. We can only hope that the truth – whatever it may be – will win out in the end.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/mysterious-missing-link-anti-malaria-drug-zinc
     
    #39     May 31, 2020
  10. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    Fool and his Zerohedge.

    So.. Basically it does nothing more than any anti-inflammatory, is inferior to many, for people who are not severely affected by the virus but actually does kill a higher percentage of very ill people.

    But like your fucking fake belief fools in Oklahoma, having magic medicine makes primitives feel safe same as the backward people of India. Another country with squalid conditions while affording nuclear weapons like the US and Russia.

    Well they wash the streets with detergent here as a psychological boost for the uneducated, you have magic pills supported by Indian observational studies with no details or peer review?

    HCL may have some slight effect with zinc but there are completely safe ionophores available. However you morons are fixated on the one that can stop a weakened heart.

    Christian conservative primitives you are all retarded same as the Indian backwards Conservatives.
     
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    #40     May 31, 2020
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