large study finds that (hydroxy)chloroquine killing more than it "cures"

Discussion in 'Politics' started by destriero, May 22, 2020.

  1. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    The dollar goes a long way in "shithole countries"
     
    #131     Jun 5, 2020
  2. jem

    jem

    as we suspected

    you had no facts to support you comment other than your TDS.

     
    #132     Jun 5, 2020
  3. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Your messiah said it
     
    #133     Jun 5, 2020
  4. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    That illustrates the problem. this illustrates a major issue in the US. This bullshit has to stop. You only care that Trump is wrong. You prefer political propaganda to science. That is disgusting. The only papers that have been proven to be fraud and political propaganda so far are the ones that prove Trump wrong. I could care less if Trump is right or wrong. We are dealing with people's lives you asshole. This demonstrates that you are incapable of critical reasoning.

    I just care about what the science states. Science shouldn't be left or right. It should just be science. Clearly, libtards have infiltrated all areas of science. We are living Orwell's nightmare.
     
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    #134     Jun 5, 2020
  5. Wallet

    Wallet

    The Lancet HCQ article and the one in the NJM have been retracted. Once again the left has been played.

    Watch the video for the details on the political bullshit behind the study




    The Lancet medical journal pulled the study after three of its authors retracted it, citing concerns about the quality and veracity of data in it. The World Health Organization (WHO) will resume its hydroxychloroquine trials after pausing them in the wake of the study. Dozens of other trials have resumed or are in process.



    https://www.usnews.com/news/top-new...influential-lancet-hydroxychloroquine-article
     
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    #135     Jun 6, 2020
  6. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    I guess you take this back after the other post demonstrating the complete opposite?
     
    #136     Jun 7, 2020
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    There are numerous studies posted to ET showing hydroxychloroquine is completely ineffective in treating or preventing COVID-19. I’ll go with the many proper medical studies on this subject.
     
    #137     Jun 7, 2020
  8. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    Then why did Bloomberg as well as hundreds of scientist make exactly the same argument that I made. Did you make up the above post?

    According to the Bloomberg article, you are wrong.

    @Here4money looks like you were 100% wrong. It was fraud. Read below. You idiot.

    @Bugenhagen You were also unequivocally 100% wrong according to the article below.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...at-the-center-of-the-hydroxychloroquine-storm

    But in the days after publication, concerns over the underlying data bubbled up. Questions arose over how Surgisphere, a little-known company that claims to have 11 employees, could have reached agreements on sharing sensitive patient information with some 1,200 hospitals around the world, much less received and processed the data so quickly.

    Last week, more than 200 scientists signed a letter to The Lancet asking for greater transparency regarding the hospitals where patients’ medical records came from and the method of analysis, citing a list of inconsistencies and anomalies in the paper.

    Still, the Surgisphere studies were
    highly unusual in that they claimed to quickly assemble data from hundreds of anonymous hospitals, using numerous electronic medical records systems, under different privacy laws across many countries on multiple continents. And even more strangely, for studies that claimed a massive feat of data integration in record-setting time, they had no biostatisticians listed as authors that might have helped pull all this data together.

    More typically, when medical scientists do such studies they rely on clearly named and reputable government databases in one country or state that researchers are able to access.

    Surgisphere said its information comes from “a registry, with data obtained from electronic health records” of a “very specific group of hospitalized patients with Covid-19.” The company “directly integrates with the EHRs of our hospital customers,” and “has permission to include these hospitals’ EHR data in its query-able registry/database of real-world, real-time patient encounters.”

    Surgisphere didn’t provide the names of companies or institutions from which it obtained the data.

    The retracted study published May 1 in the New England Journal of Medicine claimed to have records of 107 patients from five hospitals in France, including ethnic information such as skin color. However, it’s unlawful to collect such data in France. What’s more, the transmission or sale of hospital data and patient records are strictly limited, and often require approval by the CNIL privacy watchdog. The CNIL told Bloomberg it had not received requests from Surgisphere. The French health ministry didn’t immediately return an email seeking comment.

    Surgisphere says on its website that it’s worked with Scotland’s National Health Service to find data-driven solutions to high rates of post-surgical complications and infections. No such relationship exists, the health agency said. “At no point have Surgisphere had any access to NHS Scotland data,” it said in an email.
     
    #138     Jun 7, 2020
  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    wrong how? Point me to the statement where I'm wrong, I'll wait
     
    #139     Jun 7, 2020
  10. jem

    jem

    GWB is a binary thinker when it comes to Covid and Hydroxychloroquine
    as are many in the media.

    In order to properly analyse Hydroxychloroquine

    We should break the analysis into at least 2 parts.
    as the study below does.


    (the very ill)
    Results: The addition of zinc sulfate did not impact the length of hospitalization, duration of ventilation, or ICU duration.

    (not as ill)
    In univariate analyses, zinc sulfate increased the frequency of patients being discharged home, and decreased the need for ventilation, admission to the ICU, and mortality or transfer to hospice for patients who were never admitted to the ICU. After adjusting for the time at which zinc sulfate was added to our protocol, an increased frequency of being discharged home (OR 1.53, 95% CI 1.12-2.09) reduction in mortality or transfer to hospice remained significant (OR 0.449, 95% CI 0.271-0.744). Conclusion: This study provides the first in vivo evidence that zinc sulfate in combination with hydroxychloroquine may play a role in therapeutic management for COVID-19.



    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1



     
    #140     Jun 7, 2020