large study finds that (hydroxy)chloroquine killing more than it "cures"

jem · Jun 5, 2020

here is a twitter feed tracking hydroxy news....

https://twitter.com/niro60487270

After a long battle from primary care doctors, Italy was deploying early hydroxychloroquine treatments, but it has made a U-turn after WHO's warning at the end of May . Early days but the recent numbers are depressing. Banning snake oil does not do that.

Bugenhagen · Jun 5, 2020

Some not learning the lesson of banking not yet reviewed results of retrospective studies.

I'm actually correct it will turn out. Zinc deficient patients as with other nutrients like D which is very significant, plus others at deficient levels have more problems. It is exactly the same with chemo tolerance, some have greater storehouses of micronutrients, eventually everyone runs out without supplimentation.

HCL helps some, puts others, particularly elderly, under stress and kills them so use other ionophores or just none and get levels up to normal as a prophylactic will do as well.

It will be found that zinc alone vs zinc plus HCL results in similar prophylactic benefits the same as other viruses.

Measure so you can manage. Classify patients sensibly by age and condition for therapy The ideas Google had where everyone has a lab measuring the basics at home are good and need more work.

Gut biome health is a major factor also as it affects how much or how little of anything is bio-available. Complex systems lads.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/4095368/#:~:text=The mean level of zinc,in males and females respectively.

In the meantime there are vastly superior off labels coming.

gwb-trading · Jun 5, 2020

jem said:
try supporting your claims... with a link next time.

What a surprise... I just searched on zinc and did not see a single study produced which ruled out hydroxy and zinc. going back to the beginning of May.

So were you lying again?
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https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...more-than-it-cures.345147/page-9#post-5117057

Dr. Love · Jun 5, 2020

And more evidence.

easymon1 · Jun 5, 2020

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jem · Jun 5, 2020

So you wasted our time again with your bullshit?
Where on that page do you see the words zinc?

some of the links in the article were taken down.
others behind pay walls.

but no mention of zinc on that page...

gwb-trading said:
https://www.elitetrader.com/et/thre...more-than-it-cures.345147/page-9#post-5117057
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WeToddDid2 · Jun 5, 2020

gwb-trading said:
Once again Hydroxychloroquine proven to be completely worthless as a preventative treatment for COVID-19...

Hydroxychloroquine didn’t prevent Covid-19 in the first large study using the most reliable way of testing a drug’s effectiveness, researchers found.
Wednesday, June 3, 2020 3:10 PM EST
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-trump.html

The study was the first controlled clinical trial of a drug that President Trump has repeatedly promoted and recently taken himself.

Conducted in the United States and Canada, this trial was the first to test whether the drug could prevent illness in people who have been exposed to the coronavirus.

Malaria Drug Promoted by Trump Did Not Prevent Covid Infections, Study Finds
The first carefully controlled trial of hydroxychloroquine given to people exposed to the coronavirus did not show any benefit.

The malaria drug hydroxychloroquine did not prevent Covid-19 in a rigorous study of 821 people who had been exposed to patients infected with the virus, researchers from the University of Minnesota and Canada are reporting on Wednesday.

The study was the first controlled clinical trial of hydroxychloroquine, a drug that President Trump has repeatedly promoted and recently taken himself. Conducted in the United States and Canada, this trial was the first to test whether the drug could prevent illness in people who have been exposed to the coronavirus. This type of study, in which patients are picked at random to receive either an experimental treatment or a placebo, is considered the most reliable way to measure the safety and effectiveness of a drug. The participants were health care workers and people who had been exposed at home to ill spouses, partners or parents.

“The take-home message for the general public is that if you’re exposed to someone with Covid-19, hydroxychloroquine is not an effective post-exposure, preventive therapy,” the lead author of the study, Dr. David R. Boulware, from the University of Minnesota, said in an interview.

The results are published in The New England Journal of Medicine.

“If we could find something that would ameliorate infection, block it or make it milder after a solid exposure, that would be quite wonderful,” said Dr. Judith Feinberg, the vice chairwoman for research in medicine at West Virginia University. “What we want to do is limit the number of cases. There was great hope riding on this.”

The president’s promotion of the drug, and the backlash against it, have politicized medical questions that would normally have been left to researchers to answer objectively. Trump supporters and opponents have accused one another of twisting facts about the drug to make the president look either right, or wrong.

But Mr. Trump has not stopped touting the drug’s potential benefits. On Sunday, his administration announced that it was sending 2 million doses of the drug to Brazil, to treat patients and help prevent infection in health care workers. A White House official said the two countries would collaborate on research into its use.

Early in the pandemic, the drug's use was spurred by anecdotal reports from China and France of patients who seemed to improve and laboratory findings of a possible antiviral effect. With no proven treatment for Covid-19, doctors have been desperate to give severely ill patients some kind of therapy.

Data from more recent studies have been called into question in the last week, furthering debates over the drug’s role in trials around the world. On Wednesday, the World Health Organization said it would resume trials it had temporarily suspended over the issues raised about data used in a study in the Lancet.

Interest in the drug surged after Mr. Trump began advocating it. It is approved to treat rheumatoid arthritis and lupus, as well as malaria, and is considered safe for those patients as long as they do not have underlying abnormalities in their heart rhythm.

Studies in very ill coronavirus patients have linked the drug — especially when combined with the antibiotic azithromycin — to dangerous heart-rhythm disorders, and both the Food and Drug Administration and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases have warned that it should not be used outside of clinical trials or carefully monitored conditions in a hospital.

Some researchers say that safety concerns about the drug have been overblown, alarming the public and making it difficult to recruit participants for the studies needed to determine whether the drug has any value for treatment or prevention.

The new study included 821 people from across the United States and parts of Canada who had a either a high-risk or moderate-risk exposure to a person who had tested positive and was ill from the coronavirus. None of the participants had symptoms themselves. High-risk exposure meant they were less than six feet from a patient for more than ten minutes, with neither a mask nor a face shield. Moderate risk meant they wore a mask, but no face shield.

About 88 percent had high-risk exposures.

The participants, recruited online, ranged in age from 33 to 50, with a median age of 40. About half were women, and 66 percent of the total were health care workers. They were healthy and had no underlying health problems that would have made hydroxychloroquine dangerous for them. Most of the rest had been exposed at home, to an infected spouse, partner or parent.

Within four days of exposure, the participants were picked at random to receive either hydroxychloroquine or a placebo, and then followed to determine whether they had either laboratory-confirmed Covid-19 or an illness consistent with the virus, during the next 14 days.

The drug or placebos were mailed to them, and they then reported their symptoms online to the researchers, who did not examine them.

Not all the participants could be tested for the virus, because when the study was being conducted, there was still a shortage of test kits.

There was no meaningful difference between the placebo group and those who took the drug. Among those taking hydroxychloroquine, 49 of 414, or 11.8 percent, became ill. In the placebo group, 58 or 407, or 14.3 percent, became ill. Analyzed statistically, the difference between those rates was not significant.

The drug also did not make the illness any less severe.

Side effects like nausea from hydroxychloroquine were more common than from placebos, 40.1 percent compared with 16.8 percent, but there were no problems with heart rhythm or any other serious adverse effects.

Infectious disease experts who were not part of the study said it was well done and answered an important question, though the results were disappointing.

Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University, said: “This was a large, randomized controlled trial done by very good people. Hydroxychloroquine did not provide a notable advantage.”

Noting that the drug had shown some ability to prevent the virus from infecting cells in laboratory studies, Dr. Schaffner said, “Unfortunately that did not translate into a beneficial effect in preventing the development of illness.”

The study did not address the question of whether hydroxychloroquine can prevent coronavirus infection if people take it before they are exposed to a sick patient. That possibility is being studied in other clinical trials involving health care workers and emergency medical technicians and other emergency medical workers.

At a Senate hearing on the F.D.A.’s oversight of foreign drug manufacturing on Tuesday, Democrats criticized the agency for its decision in March to give an emergency use authorization to hydroxychloroquine.

“The F.D.A., in my view, bowed to the pressure and issued what’s called an ‘emergency use authorization’ for the drug,” said Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Committee on Finance, which sponsored the hearing. “Doing so threw open the door to tens of millions of pills, including some, directly related to this hearing, manufactured inside facilities in Pakistan and India that have either failed F.D.A.’s inspection or never been inspected by the F.D.A. at all.”
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Here is another one:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.28.20114835v1.full.pdf

Viral Dynamics Matter in COVID-19 Pneumonia: the success of early treatment with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin in Lebanon.

Viral dynamics matter in COVID-19 pneumonia. An early control of replication may be crucial in averting complications. Early administration of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin potentially explains our 94.7% success rate in treating a fairly complex cohort 72 of COVID-19 pneumonia.

Cuddles · Jun 5, 2020

WeToddDid2 said:
Here is another one:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.28.20114835v1.full.pdf

Viral Dynamics Matter in COVID-19 Pneumonia: the success of early treatment with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin in Lebanon.

Viral dynamics matter in COVID-19 pneumonia. An early control of replication may be crucial in averting complications. Early administration of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin potentially explains our 94.7% success rate in treating a fairly complex cohort 72 of COVID-19 pneumonia.
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bought and paid for by GOP superPAC

jem · Jun 5, 2020

Do you have any links to support that claim?

Here4money said:
bought and paid for by GOP superPAC
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RRY16 · Jun 5, 2020

jem said:
Do you have any links to support that claim?
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You and your buddy Smallfill are getting paid to post.