large study finds that (hydroxy)chloroquine killing more than it "cures"

Discussion in 'Politics' started by destriero, May 22, 2020.

  1. jem

    jem

    you may not think hydroxy and zinc or hydroxy and zpak
    is an effective treatment....
    At the moment I have my doubts because I have not seen much on the positive side for that
    lately.

    But, everybody on this board has seen multiple posters
    explain the theory....
    that hydroxy opens up the virus and then the zinc can then go in and kill it.

    hydroxy and something else whether in be zinc or zpak has been
    a treatment suggested by doctors and pro hydroxy people for months.

    you know that...
    but for some reason you want to be douche about it.


     
    #91     Jun 4, 2020
  2. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    Nobody is doubting that zinc deficient patients, and elderly people tend to be I have read, won't benefit from zinc supplements however people who are showing symptoms on trials in developed countries, many are probably taking supplements.
     
    #92     Jun 4, 2020
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Yes.... and medical study after medical study shows hydroxychloroquine in combination with any other drugs including zinc or zpaks is not an effective treatment or preventative for COVID-19.
     
    #93     Jun 4, 2020
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Covid-19: Lancet retracts paper that halted hydroxychloroquine trials
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-paper-that-halted-hydroxychloroquine-trials

    The Lancet paper that halted global trials of hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19 because of fears of increased deaths has been retracted.

    The lead author, Prof Mandeep Mehra, from the Brigham and Women’s hospital in Boston, decided to ask the Lancet for the retraction because he could no longer vouch for the accuracy of the data.

    The journal’s editor, Richard Horton, said he was appalled by developments. “This is a shocking example of research misconduct in the middle of a global health emergency,” he told the Guardian.

    An independent audit company was asked to examine a database provided for the research by the US company, Surgisphere, to ensure it had the data from more than 96,000 Covid-19 patients in 671 hospitals worldwide, that it was obtained properly and was accurate.

    Surgisphere’s CEO, Sapan Desai, had said he would cooperate with the inquiry, but it is understood he refused to give the auditors access to all the data they asked for.

    In a statement on Thursday, Mehra said: “Our independent peer reviewers informed us that Surgisphere would not transfer the full dataset, client contracts, and the full ISO audit report to their servers for analysis as such transfer would violate client agreements and confidentiality requirements. As such, our reviewers were not able to conduct an independent and private peer review and therefore notified us of their withdrawal from the peer-review process.”

    The Lancet study had a dramatic impact on attempts to find out whether the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine, and its older version, chloroquine, could help treat patients with Covid-19. The US president, Donald Trump was among those who backed the drug before any high-quality trial evidence had been published.

    The World Health Organization and several countries suspended randomised controlled trials that were set up to find an answer. Those trials have now been restarted. Many scientists were angry that they had been stopped on the basis of a trial that was observational and not a “gold standard” RCT.

    Mehra had commissioned an independent audit of the data after scientists questioned it.

    A Guardian investigation revealed errors in the data which were later explained by Surgisphere as some patients being wrongly allocated to Australia instead of Asia. But more anomalies were then picked up. A further Guardian investigation found that there wereserious questions to be askedabout the company itself.

    When the Guardian put a detailed list of concerns to Desai about the database, the study findings and his background, he responded: “There continues to be a fundamental misunderstanding about what our system is and how it works.

    “There are also a number of inaccuracies and unrelated connections that you are trying to make with a clear bias toward attempting to discredit who we are and what we do,” he said. “We do not agree with your premise or the nature of what you have put together, and I am sad to see that what should have been a scientific discussion has been denigrated into this sort of discussion.”
     
    #94     Jun 4, 2020
  5. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    Who is wrong now dumb ass? Are you man enough to admit it? I don't believe for a second that you are man enough. You will come up with some other retarded attempt at deflection and spin.

    A full retraction!? What!? Only someone that has shit for brains couldn't see this one coming.

    Do you blame your own father now?

    You have been arguing with a person that programs in R and python about data sanitation.

    Well, looks like your retarded theory that the data simply needed to be sanitized was retarded after all.

    Again, an explanation for people with low IQs:

    Expression of Concern to alert readers to the fact that serious scientific questions have been brought to our attention does not in any way shape or form equate to that data simply needs to be sanitized. Only someone with a low IQ would draw that conclusion.

    https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/ar...8FeA&utm_content=89003655&utm_source=hs_email


    Today, three of the authors of the paper, "Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis", have retracted their study. They were unable to complete an independent audit of the data underpinning their analysis. As a result, they have concluded that they "can no longer vouch for the veracity of the primary data sources." The Lancet takes issues of scientific integrity extremely seriously, and there are many outstanding questions about Surgisphere and the data that were allegedly included in this study. Following guidelines from the Committee on Publication Ethics (COPE) and International Committee of Medical Journal Editors (ICMJE), institutional reviews of Surgisphere’s research collaborations are urgently needed.

    The retraction notice is published today, June 4, 2020. The article will be updated to reflect this retraction shortly.
     
    #95     Jun 4, 2020
  6. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    Well I took my 4th HCL yesterday, 1 x 250mg every Wednesday for my knee.

    The first two weeks, very obvious benefit but last week it was less noticeable after four days. I guess tolerance building.

    One somewhat worrying thing is after lot of hard sun in the fields this morning and we are at 7000 feet so the UV level is high, I am seeing a pattern in my centre of vision (like a fingerprint or onion skin), fading now I'm indoors but that is new.
     
    #96     Jun 4, 2020
  7. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    You should request of full refund wrt your alleged master's degree. It clearly isn't worth shit.

    Just like I thought, you aren't man enough.
     
    #97     Jun 4, 2020
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  8. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    What are you on about high-school?

    The authors retracted the paper. This is what is supposed to happen. There is another far more authorative study coming from the UK soon.

    Its all good scro. Its science.

    And I'm self experimenting (with medical advice) because I got this stuff well before Trump and I also bought a lot of Sanofi stock.
     
    #98     Jun 4, 2020
  9. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

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    #99     Jun 4, 2020
  10. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    Just like I thought. Never admit that you are wrong. Just reflect and spin.
     
    #100     Jun 4, 2020