lack of credit in spy bull put spreads

Discussion in 'Options' started by sss12, Jul 18, 2016.

  1. sss12

    sss12

    I realize puts are usually "expensive", but they seem to be unusually expensive across the entire chain.

    ie: with the spy at 216.5 selling the aug 210/208 put credit spread results in a .22 credit at best.

    .22/2-.22 = 12%, Hardly enough ROC to justify the current 19 delta of the 210 put(used as approx. of prob of going ITM) .

    2 questions, 1.- has this "skew" been cased by the recent almost continuous rally ?
    2.-what are alternative mildly bullish strategies (ie: slightly itm calls) that don't not have 3 + legs ?? thanks
     
  2. OptionGuru

    OptionGuru

    • 3% OTM with only 1 month to go ......... Of course the credit will be peanuts.
    • Buy 1-strike OTM calls in this market.


    :)
     
  3. sss12

    sss12

    thanks, but I don't think it is really a question of the nominal dollar amount . It is of how the ROC (or lack thereof) compares to the delta (used as approx. of prob of being ITM). anyone else ? thanks
     
  4. Premium is cheap......period.... Good luck we are in a doldrum ... .. I'd by puts six to 8 months out...
     
  5. sss12

    sss12

    although I do see rational behind your OTM recommendation, thanks.
     
  6. OptionGuru

    OptionGuru

    IMO ......... Selling highly volatile instruments such as options isn't a good idea. Buying is much better.



    :)
     
  7. Let's please stop using ROC (Return on Capital) incorrectly. Unless you put 100% of all your capital into this trade and that was the only trade you did all year then it is not even close to representing what you mean.

    What kind of credit are you expecting for 1 month to expiration and deltas near .2 and IV of 12.5%
     
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  8. trilogic

    trilogic

    optioncoach, how should it be used or calculated and why so ? thank you
     
  9. sss12

    sss12

    Optioncoach, to expand on trilogics question and to get to the gist of my OP....what ratio/value do you look for between credit received from the spread and delta ? Thanks in advance for your response.
     
  10. I would rather sell ITM calls 8 months out.
     
    #10     Jul 18, 2016