So where do you get your data that the average age of COVID-19 death is 78? When was this data gathered? What countries was this data gathered in? The average age of death in the U.S. has moved down since May according to the information that I have seen. Let's not be confusing data from March in some foreign country with the data now in America.
His data source is incorrect or he's intentionally lying if he said age 78 is the average age of Covid-19 deaths. Currently, as of today its around the age of 37.6 and it has dropped from 37.9 back in late May and about the same from early May...assuming we're only looking at the Average Age as shown in the graph below. Yet, if someone is only going to look at the raw stats of the age group with the most deaths...its 65 - 74 years old. Regardless, its why I laugh when the idiots about Covid-19 say the average age of deaths from Covid-19 are the elderly. As you can see in the graph above...not true. wrbtrader
I knew the average age was lower than 78 for COVID deaths. There are multiple media sources that have been reporting on public health studies looking at the average and median age of COVID-19 deaths. You would think that he would at least have the decency to post a source to back his assertions. Thanks for providing the correct information.
In fact, in The UK, the average age of Wuhan-19 death is even higher at 82 yrs old. This is is higher than the life expectancy in The UK! Kung Flu is just not having a huge detrimental consequence to the world in terms of fatality. Government response however IS causing massive detriment to world in many many ways.
Average age is not the way to determine actual risk according to age. Clearly the older one is the risk of death increases, and increases quite dramatically for people over 70. Surely you're not claiming that at 27 year old has the same risk of death profile as a 77 year old.
The thread starter stated "average age" and he gave a specific number that was incorrect or intentional lying. I then posted the correct number with what one particular popular website has that monitors those types of statistics. Also, the number correlated with 5 other popular statistic websites that monitors diseases. Yet, I didn't bother to post more correlating graphs...one was enough. With that said, I agree...average age is not the way to determine actual risk (I prefer the phrase mortality risk that I learned in college) but average age was what the thread starter decided to use. In fact, to determine mortality risk...there's stats that uses different statistics but the thread starter couldn't use those stats because it would also reveal other data points that would not support his misinformation / disinformation agenda about Covid-19 because he later mentioned two other countries...Wuhan and United Kingdom in an effort to deflect what he initially stated. Ironically, the data he states for those other countries is also incorrect. Simply, the deflection failed. P.S. I never said anything about a 27 year old (average age) nor did I claim a 37 year old has the same mortality risks (death profile) as a 77 year old unless my English (2nd language) is worst than I thought. wrbtrader
I simply used 27 and 77 as examples. Those numbers are irrelevant, it's the spread in age that matters. Morality risk is the only thing that matters. All other "facts and figures" are just being used to magnify or minimize ones chosen narrative. Older equals higher risk, period.
No debates from me but I don't think those that's been using "average age" will understand such. Then again, maybe they do understand which is why you will rarely see them use "mortality risk" because those like me can open that can of worms to get into other issues. wrbtrader
Let's take a look at a follow-up... ‘Helping the president’: HHS official sought to rebrand coronavirus campaign Documents reveal how political considerations shaped planning for a taxpayer-funded ad blitz to 'defeat despair' over Covid-19. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/29/coronavirus-ad-campaign-rebrand-433578 The Trump appointee who steered a $300 million taxpayer-funded ad campaign to "defeat despair" about the coronavirus privately pitched a different theme last month: "Helping the President will Help the Country." That proposal, which came in a meeting between Trump administration officials and campaign contractors, is among documents obtained by the House Oversight Committee that further illustrate how political considerations shaped the massive campaign as officials rushed to get public service announcements on the air before Election Day. The committee shared the documents with POLITICO, which first detailed the campaign in a series of reports last month. For instance, contractors vetted at least 274 potential celebrity contributors for their stances on gay rights, gun control and the 2016 election before allowing them to participate in the campaign. One promised public service announcement, which would have also featured infectious disease expert Anthony Fauci, was nixed because the celebrity who was set to participate with Fauci had been critical of President Donald Trump, according to documents. The official overseeing the campaign — Michael Caputo, who Trump personally tapped as the health department’s top spokesperson — also sought to overrule the career civil servants assigned to the campaign, directly urging contractors to rush production of ads with celebrities like Trump-supporting actor Antonio Sabato, Jr. “We must film them ASAP — we need content in the can now,” Caputo wrote in an email to contractors on Sept. 13, three days before he took a medical leave from the health department. A federal official subsequently removed Caputo from the email chain and reiterated that only two career civil servants on the chain could provide “actionable direction” to the contractors on how to proceed. Caputo also pitched the idea of framing the ad campaign around helping the president. He made the suggestion in a meeting with communications firm Burson Cohn & Wolfe, positioning it as an effort to encourage Trump’s base to buy into public health concepts like wearing masks, according to notes dated Sept. 17 and provided to the committee. “Caputo speaks in ‘taglines,’ and high level concepts,” the contractors noted. Burson, which is a subcontractor on the campaign, did not respond to a request for comment. Although Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar has since ordered a review of the campaign — which two HHS officials told POLITICO is no longer slated to run before the election, if at all — House Oversight leaders said that the administration had failed to comply with repeated demands to produce separate, internal documents related to the campaign. “Your failure to provide the documents we requested — especially in light of the information we have learned from the contractors — appears to be part of a cover-up to conceal the Trump Administration’s misuse of hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars for partisan political purposes ahead of the upcoming election, and to direct taxpayer funds to friends and allies of Trump Administration officials,” Reps. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.), Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) and Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-Ill.) wrote to Azar in an accompanying letter. HHS did not respond to specific questions about whether Caputo's interventions were appropriate, who directed the vetting of celebrities’ political stances and other questions about the scope of the campaign. "The review is ongoing," an HHS spokesperson said in a statement. "The plan has always been to only use materials reviewed by a department-wide team of experts including scientists from CDC who will ensure the latest scientific information is used to provide important public health, therapeutic and vaccine information." The spokesperson said that Azar was not aware of Caputo's close involvement in the campaign. The spokesperson also said that “HHS has maintained an open line of communication with members of Congress and we will continue to regularly and proactively update members and their staff.” All but one of the documents released by the House committee Thursday were uncovered by their probe of the health department’s work with Atlas Research, which POLITICO revealed had won a separate $15 million contract about one week before a $250 million contract was awarded to strategic communications firm Fors Marsh. Atlas did not respond to a request for comment. "The American public can be assured this public education campaign is being developed based on the best available science and public health strategies to slow the spread of Covid-19,” said Fors Marsh CEO Ben Garthwaite, who drew a line between the contract awarded to his firm and what he said were separate efforts to enlist celebrities. “Fors Marsh Group was not involved with that work,” Garthwaite said. The planned campaign — with contractors racing to produce ads with celebrities to air before the election — collapsed following a POLITICO investigation last month, with actor Dennis Quaid and gospel singer CeCe Winans withdrawing their participation and other celebrities pulling out. Both Quaid and Winans posted videos insisting that their participation was solely focused on promoting public health and was not intended to be political. The campaign was the brainchild of Caputo, who was installedas the health department’s top spokesperson in April and who abruptly requisitioned $300 million from the Centers for Disease Control to fund the campaign this summer. The health department then recommended that contractors hire one of Caputo’s business partners, Den Tolmor, to film the celebrity videos, although the Russian-born filmmaker had no prior experience with U.S. public health campaigns. Caputo declined comment, citing his treatment for cancer. Tolmor did not respond to a request for comment. Hundreds of celebrities considered for a taxpayer-funded coronavirus ad campaign were first vetted for their political views. | House Oversight Committee, Atlas Research One document obtained by the committee, “PSA Celebrity Tracker,” includes details about the politics of hundreds of celebrities considered for participation in the campaign, including whether the performers had been personally critical of Trump. For instance, actor Zach Galifianakis was flagged because he “refused to host President Trump on talk show.” Director and performer Judd Apatow “believes Trump does not have the intellectual capacity to run as President, want him to be removed out of office in 2020,” read another line item. At least 22 other performers were flagged for their previous support of former President Barack Obama. Singer Adam Levine was labeled a “liberal democrat who supported Obama and fights for gay rights”; singer Christina Aguilera “is an Obama-supporting Democrat and a gay-rights supporting liberal.” Some celebrities were flagged for policy stances unrelated to the president. The document lists actress “Julianna Moore [sic.]” as a “Liberal Democrat, pro-choicer, LGBT rights supporter, gun control campaigner.” Two of the performers who eventually sat for interviews with administration officials, gospel singer Winans and Hasidic singer Shulem Lemmer, do not appear on the “PSA Celebrity Tracker” obtained by the House committee. While it’s not clear from the documents how many of the celebrities were ultimately approached — or even aware of the administration’s interest in their participation — at least 22 performers are listed as “declined,” including singers like Britney Spears, Carrie Underwood and Luke Bryan, and actors like Dwayne “the Rock” Johnson and Hugh Jackman. Restaurateur Guy Fieri is listed as “overcommitted.” According to a separate document identified as “Celebrity Participant Status Chart,” only 10 celebrities were ultimately approved to participate in the campaign, including Quaid, singer Garth Brooks and television host Dr. Mehmet Oz. Meanwhile, comedian George Lopez had committed to appearing in the campaign, having been promised a sit-down with Fauci, according to separate documents reviewed by POLITICO. But Atlas’ notes of a Sept. 29 meeting with Trump officials states that the Lopez ad was “not moving forward due to previous concerns regarding his comments regarding the President.” The ad campaign has been viewed as an expensive boondoggle inside HHS, with millions of dollars set aside to arrange and even film some celebrity sit-downs that may now never air.