Kudos to MMs

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by nitro, Oct 23, 2008.

  1. even KY jelly not enough for the shorts here
     
    #3941     Oct 27, 2011
  2. Hmm.... SPX 1292.14 DAMN!!! 100 HANDLES OF EDGE STILL!!! THAT'S __WITH__ THE 70 HANDLE BOOST IN OFV THIS MORNING!!!! HOLY FLYING BAT DUNG BATMAN!!!

    With that said, I'm exiting my 220 handle winner at the close as the 3x guys have some MASSIVE buyin to do!!!
     
    #3942     Oct 27, 2011
  3. nitro

    nitro

    SPX, 1284.59. FV, 1207.18. OFV, 1225.47.
     
    #3943     Oct 27, 2011
  4. GTS

    GTS

    It appears your model is converging to the market rather than predicting it.

    FV is now much higher than your position basis. At what point do you exit?
     
    #3944     Oct 27, 2011
  5. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Nitro is calling for a crash on Monday of epic proportions that will bring him back into the black on this position.

    I've asked him several times on this thread how he stops himself out of losing positions and he never answers. At that point I realized this was not going to be a serious thread.
     
    #3945     Oct 27, 2011
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    #3946     Oct 27, 2011
  7. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    C'mon Nitro, you're better than that.
     
    #3947     Oct 27, 2011
  8. nitro

    nitro

    SPX, 1277.68. FV, 1188.57. OFV, 1201.04.
     
    #3948     Oct 28, 2011
  9. nitro

    nitro

    SPX, 1266.83. FV, 1196.58. OFV, 1231.96.

    There are huge divergences going on, and it is all very confusing. Large moves higher in FV and OFV, delayed by a few days to SPX. This is the worse that could happen, convergence to SPX, opposite a position. At this point, if SPX was at 1196 converging to FV, I would have to take a loss on the three units. Hard to believe I am saying that when the position was put on, it had (well over) a 100 handles of (theoretical) edge!

    Some consolation that it took a monthly move not seen in 45 years.
     
    #3949     Oct 31, 2011
  10. nitro

    nitro

    I am convinced as to the viability of the FV model. What I am realizing is that I don't have complete flows. The dimensionality of markets is amazing to a model like FV, but of course to a bank that can see the flow and can tell if the counter party is smart or not, it is trivial.

    That is why you see that the best traders follow price when it is grounded in flow. Unfortunately, it is extremely difficult to situate yourself in between that flow so as to be able to tell the real deal from fakes. Being in pits used to get you this flow, now it is the privy of the biggest (electronic) players that are in the middle of it.

    I continue to plow forward, seeking more and more information that I can incorporate into the model...
     
    #3950     Oct 31, 2011