Kudos to MMs

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by nitro, Oct 23, 2008.

  1. nitro

    nitro

    No you understand quite well. But here is what no one is getting. The markets have all sorts of swings. How can you tell what the real signal is? The smart money knows and is often the first to get in this direction. What I have noticed is that

    1) SPX is sometimes extremely efficient and is the signal,
    2) and at other times it seems as if the inmates are running the prison.

    The key is to avoid betting against 1 because invariably if FV does not agree, it turns around and follows, leading to loses. BUT, when 2 happens, that is when some juicy profits are to come. I am getting a feel from when to distinguish 1 from 2, although I admit it is "gut" at this point. However, I have been considering using tools like Elliot Wave to keep me on the right side of a trend to amend FV, or something that has some respect for being accurate on these time frames. DOW theory doesn't seem to work too well...

    The market most definitely has a structure, and I am definitely decoding it. There are a few details here and there left to iron out, but I see a light at the end of the tunnel. FWIW, FV is but a tool, although the crown jewel in my toolbox, and I have had to use several tools to help the actual trading/timing. Amazing how hard this is.

    One last note, the short side is much harder then the long side, but the rewards come faster and are a magnitude bigger. Also, I hate buying expensive vola.
     
    #3641     Sep 16, 2011
  2. Pekelo

    Pekelo

    1. Obviously not.
    2. Irrelevant, because of the answer to #1.

    Also, when/if that giant gain happens, how do you know that it is not an accidental statistical outlier and you just got lucky, and it is not the result of your system????

    After all if you keep trying, eventually you are due to catch it right, just by pure luck....
     
    #3642     Sep 16, 2011
  3. Do you have quantifiable data that supports this or is it something you intuit?

    If you're measuring SPX's efficiency using FV as the statute that is fine, but you need a basis for doing so that is intellectually satisfactory. It is easy to invent/discover a formula that results in a time series that sometimes tracks SPX, sometimes diverges—but by itself this means nothing with regard to its predictive power or (greater) efficiency.

    Not trying to short-sell your reasons for doing what you are doing, simply working/thinking with the info you have provided.
     
    #3643     Sep 16, 2011
  4. ammo

    ammo

    you can't build a house on sand,you need a concrete base,your base sounds very philosophical,most philosophy is based on ifs, i.e,i don't now,i wonder,what if this were true,then it would be safe to assume this,and with those 2 possible truths then this would be true.and so on...eventually you have hundreds of writers printing thousands of books on what if..or hundreds of guys building trading systems on what if's,....price is price... concrete...now if you want to extrapolate on that ,take the price of 2 instruments,3,4 ,5 ,add in supp/res (if's)...always work back to price..when you see a pattern in how they interact with each other at different prices..you can start to fine tune it..watch how they react at supp and res.....when you build a house,you pour the concrete,you add a solid floor,resting on the concrete,you add walls and stack on another floor,all the load heading back to the concrete..your system has to do the same thing or it's just a what if...based on assumptions...that are randomly true or false at any given time...when it's supported by price and reacts predictably most of the time,you have something useful
     
    #3644     Sep 17, 2011
  5. nitro

    nitro

    Strong discipline needed not to take profits. Expecting a - 2% day or even bigger. The obvious target is 1172.
     
    #3645     Sep 19, 2011
  6. GTS

    GTS

    Profits? Based on everything you've posted you're still in the red right now.
     
    #3646     Sep 19, 2011
  7. dont

    dont

    Let this tread die, its not even funny anymore
     
    #3647     Sep 19, 2011
  8. nitro

    nitro

    Calibrated FV, 1015.46. FV, 1151.26. Mid 1083.36.
     
    #3648     Sep 19, 2011
  9. dont

    dont


    Let it go nobody cares
     
    #3649     Sep 19, 2011
  10. nitro

    nitro

    Calibrated FV, 1022.70. FV, 1167.52. Mid 1095.11.
     
    #3650     Sep 19, 2011